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TVLogic 055A oled VS SmallHD 702 Bright

Lorand Marton
 

Thank you all for the valuable input!
We're building a new camera package, when i got on board on this ship, they already ordered a 702B, and since the alexa is a W, that would be the only reason why the starlite rf is on list (primarily for a neat director's monitor without the extra cords, mounts, etc; but if 1st hand user xp over here would've put it's dime on pulling focus on it, then i would include it on the aquisition list)

saw the 055A on 2 recent projects, it's splendid for operators since it has fare more color richnes and neat blacks..

My honest approach would've been: throw away the 702 and get a set of 3 058 tvlogics, but thought maybe a combo of brands, for different on set purposes would be more cost efficient.

So if a wireless receiver is 4.5k € from arri, and the RF transvideo is 3.8k € with built in wireless,  might be a good bargain along with 2 other receivers


On Dec 21, 2017 7:15 PM, "Ben Tubb" <benjamin.tubb@...> wrote:
Hey everyone,

A lot of this depends on the focus puller and how they like to do their job. Why don't you consult your 1st AC and ask which tool they prefer? They all have different opinions.

We all swear by different things. Here in Vancouver the 702 Bright is by a wide margin the most popular small monitor for focus, but not everyone agrees, and these things vary geographically as well.

The Starlite RF is the only monitor in your list that's not 1920x1080p, in my opinion that immediately disqualifies it for focus use.

I haven't tried the 055a yet.

I pulled on the 058w for a few years and loved it. The peaking on it (called Aperture on TVlogic) is absolutely lovely. But I ended up hating how small it is, I found I was having my eyes far too close to it to be healthy.

I moved to the 702 Bright. The image quality, color rendition, contrast, build quality, and reliability are all terrible. HOWEVER, it's big, it's bright (I can see it in all conditions), and the peaking (not focus assist, never focus assist!) is fantastic, and more intense which is helpful during 'deathly shallows'. And these are all that matter for focus. Note that the peaking on the 702B has an ugly side effect of rather extreme noise, but most 1sts will put up with this. Remember, they don't need a pretty or accurate image. Just a sharp one. Obviously all of the above would be nice, but I haven't found that yet.

Remember due to this terrible noise in the peaking, the 702 does poorly in very dark scenes, as the image gets lost in the noise.

Also note that SmallHD recently released "OS3" update, which while adding a bunch of features, also lowers the maximum peaking for god knows why. Many of us have downgraded away from this as it made the monitor very difficult to pull focus on.

I still think the 058w was a beautiful monitor, and fantastically reliable, and feature rich. And in terms of focus, the actual sharpness was excellent. But the screen was a little too dark, and a little too small, and I felt that the peaking, even at it's highest, was a little too subtle for today's fast-paced no-rehearsal master-prime-wide-open action sequences.

Thanks,
Benjamin Tubb
604-908-5219
benjamin.tubb@...

Ben Tubb
 

Hey everyone,

A lot of this depends on the focus puller and how they like to do their job. Why don't you consult your 1st AC and ask which tool they prefer? They all have different opinions.

We all swear by different things. Here in Vancouver the 702 Bright is by a wide margin the most popular small monitor for focus, but not everyone agrees, and these things vary geographically as well.

The Starlite RF is the only monitor in your list that's not 1920x1080p, in my opinion that immediately disqualifies it for focus use.

I haven't tried the 055a yet.

I pulled on the 058w for a few years and loved it. The peaking on it (called Aperture on TVlogic) is absolutely lovely. But I ended up hating how small it is, I found I was having my eyes far too close to it to be healthy.

I moved to the 702 Bright. The image quality, color rendition, contrast, build quality, and reliability are all terrible. HOWEVER, it's big, it's bright (I can see it in all conditions), and the peaking (not focus assist, never focus assist!) is fantastic, and more intense which is helpful during 'deathly shallows'. And these are all that matter for focus. Note that the peaking on the 702B has an ugly side effect of rather extreme noise, but most 1sts will put up with this. Remember, they don't need a pretty or accurate image. Just a sharp one. Obviously all of the above would be nice, but I haven't found that yet.

Remember due to this terrible noise in the peaking, the 702 does poorly in very dark scenes, as the image gets lost in the noise.

Also note that SmallHD recently released "OS3" update, which while adding a bunch of features, also lowers the maximum peaking for god knows why. Many of us have downgraded away from this as it made the monitor very difficult to pull focus on.

I still think the 058w was a beautiful monitor, and fantastically reliable, and feature rich. And in terms of focus, the actual sharpness was excellent. But the screen was a little too dark, and a little too small, and I felt that the peaking, even at it's highest, was a little too subtle for today's fast-paced no-rehearsal master-prime-wide-open action sequences.

Thanks,
Benjamin Tubb
604-908-5219
benjamin.tubb@...

MARK FOERSTER
 

Let me know if you guys recommend other setups.

I bought the 702 bright and it’s real nice and bright - but if you set the Pluge to 5%, you have to back the backlight off so much that the monitor is not really showing you wysiwyg.
I was kinda disappointed in that as I’m still shooting and exposing/grading in-camera for many clients - due to my disappointment in log grading (that’s another rant)
However if youre shooting log/raw and just over laying a LUT then actual precision of exposure is not as important say a stop up or down. It’s great + you gots all the scopes etc.



Mark Foerster csc
Foerster Productions
Toronto
905 922 5555

Stu McOmie
 

My 702 has broken a number of times - the build quality is awful, but it is decent for focus. I prefer the peaking tool to the focus assist tool with the SmallHD software.
The Starlite is a very nice monitor all round, but the screen seems a little soft to me in comparison to others, so not so great for pulling focus.

I'd agree with 055A for the DP, 058 for AC and either Starlite RF or the SmallHD (+receiver) for director.

Stu McOmie
AC
Norwich/London, UK

Lorand Marton
 

Thanks Art for your thoughts, my dillema is regarding the other 2 products, the smallhd 702 was already bought by the company so i have to find the best use for it (probaboy it will be assigned to the director, but then again having the sxtw, thought that the transvideo's starlite rf (with wireless integrated would be better choice for a portable director's monitor, which is also oled pannel)

The question remains open as follows:

1)Has anyone used the Transvideo Starlite RF out there? If yes, how are interferences? Is it lagging? How about in door use etc.
2) how do you feel regarding the smallhd 702 bright, from a 1stAC's perspective? MI'm guessing that most of the seasoned DoP's would prefer the 055A from TV logic instead of small hd (though, they are the same price, and yes, even myself would trade in the bigger, brighter pannel for the smaller 5inch tv logic)

On Dec 21, 2017 05:26, "Art Adams" <art.cml.only@...> wrote:
Most of my assistants prefer TV Logic for the high bright function and the focus assist, which is apparently better than some other monitors.

OLEDs are generally gorgeous but not very bright, so not great for outdoor focus. I do prefer OLED for myself, but assistants hate them (unless they're 17" and the assistant has a FIZ).

DPs and assistants are looking for very different things.

--
Art Adams
Director of Photography
San Francisco Bay Area

Andy Hoehn
 

Please share opinions, but from a 1st AC's perspective
Which one would you choose and why?

A) 055A Oled TV Logic
B) 058W TV Logic
C) Small HD 702 Bright
D) Transvideo Starlite RF (for the Alexa SXTW)

I’ve owned and used a TV Logic 071 for several years. It’s a bit heavy but works well.

I recently purchased a SmallHD 702 Bright and it works very well for pulling focus. Besides being very bright, off axis viewing is very good and I like the zoom feature for critically focusing.

That being said, I most often use my 17 inch Sony OLED with my Preston when pulling focus on a digital show.

Andy Hoehn
First Assistant Camera
Atlanta, GA

Emmanuel SUYS
 

Hi Lorand,

After testing most monitors during shoots and comparing again recently
whilst at IBC, I decided to go for the Transvideo Stargate 7".  It's
well built, extremely straightforward and simple to use through a series
of dedicated buttons. The quality of the screen is excellent for judging
focus. The right tool for the right job.

My 2 cents
Manny, Beyrouth Lebanon

On 21/12/17 00:18, Lorand Marton wrote:

Let me know if you guys recommend other setups.
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Art Adams
 

Most of my assistants prefer TV Logic for the high bright function and the focus assist, which is apparently better than some other monitors.

OLEDs are generally gorgeous but not very bright, so not great for outdoor focus. I do prefer OLED for myself, but assistants hate them (unless they're 17" and the assistant has a FIZ).

DPs and assistants are looking for very different things.

--
Art Adams
Director of Photography
San Francisco Bay Area

Lorand Marton
 

Hello,


Please share opinions, but from a 1st AC's perspective
Which one would you choose and why?

A) 055A Oled TV Logic
B) 058W TV Logic
C) Small HD 702 Bright
D) Transvideo Starlite RF (for the Alexa SXTW)

I have to come up with the best solution for cam op / dop , 1st AC, and Director's monitor

I believe that 055A would be best for the DoP; 058 for 1st AC and the Starlite RF for the Director.
The company already bought a SmallHD, but have no clue about it when it comes to pulling focus on it, so I'd like to avoid it, or have it for the Director.

Let me know if you guys recommend other setups.

Cheers,

Lorand Marton,

Assistant Camera / Junior 
romania / eu