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Replacement for Sony FS700

k.grint@...
 

Hi all - Long time observer - first time poster.

I expect there will be a lot of 'opinion' on this so please bear in mind the intended users, University students with little initial knowledge.... of ANYTHING!

Our FS700's are up for replacement soon and I am needing to spec a replacement camera.
At the time there was nothing to touch them for high speed (despite the weird ergonomics). We also bought some Odyssey 7Qs to match.
This gave a large gamut of opportunities for our various courses - not just Film + Media.

Perhaps this should be a poll really but here goes -

Requirements -

200fps plus (most of our DSLRs get near this now so extending the 'footprint' is good for experimental Fine Art types)
Large sensor (Super 35) - 4:2:2 minimum.
RAW is preferable too (even if an external recorder is required as per FS700)
Interchangeable lenses - with Metabones adapters

Over to you!
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Ken Grint
Senior Lecturer, Sheffield Hallam University, UK

Mitch Gross
 

On Apr 20, 2018, at 1:39 PM, k.grint@... wrote:

Requirements -

200fps plus (most of our DSLRs get near this now so extending the 'footprint' is good for experimental Fine Art types)
Large sensor (Super 35) - 4:2:2 minimum. 
RAW is preferable too (even if an external recorder is required as per FS700)
Interchangeable lenses - with Metabones adapters

I may be a tad biased here, but I would suggest the Panasonic EVA1. 

- In 2K EVA1 can shoot up to 240fps. 
- EVA1 has 10-bit 4:2:2 in both LongGOP and All-I codecs
- EVA1 can output RAW in 5.7K30p, 4K60p, and 2K240p
- EVA1 RAW can currently be recorded on the Atomos Shogun Inferno in ProRes RAW, CinemaDNG, or RAW converted to video and recorded as DNx or ProRes. 
- Super-35 sensor, 14-stop Dynamic Range, Dual Native ISO, V-Log/V-Gamut
- EF lens mount with 3rd party retrofit to PL available
- Beautiful Panasonic colors
- SDI & HDMI outputs
- Small & light
- Tons of other sweet stuff

I’m responsible for the camera in the US so I do come from a certain perspective, but I do come by it honestly. It’s great for schools. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic Media Entertainment Company
New York


Feli di Giorgio
 

And it will be an even better camera once Panasonic ads a s16 RAW mode….
:-)

Feli di Giorgio

VFX @ undisclosed location in the the Bay Area
_______________________________________________
Feli di Giorgio - feli2@... - www.felidigiorgio.com




On Apr 20, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

On Apr 20, 2018, at 1:39 PM, k.grint@... wrote:

Requirements -

200fps plus (most of our DSLRs get near this now so extending the 'footprint' is good for experimental Fine Art types)
Large sensor (Super 35) - 4:2:2 minimum. 
RAW is preferable too (even if an external recorder is required as per FS700)
Interchangeable lenses - with Metabones adapters

I may be a tad biased here, but I would suggest the Panasonic EVA1. 

- In 2K EVA1 can shoot up to 240fps. 
- EVA1 has 10-bit 4:2:2 in both LongGOP and All-I codecs
- EVA1 can output RAW in 5.7K30p, 4K60p, and 2K240p
- EVA1 RAW can currently be recorded on the Atomos Shogun Inferno in ProRes RAW, CinemaDNG, or RAW converted to video and recorded as DNx or ProRes. 
- Super-35 sensor, 14-stop Dynamic Range, Dual Native ISO, V-Log/V-Gamut
- EF lens mount with 3rd party retrofit to PL available
- Beautiful Panasonic colors
- SDI & HDMI outputs
- Small & light
- Tons of other sweet stuff

I’m responsible for the camera in the US so I do come from a certain perspective, but I do come by it honestly. It’s great for schools. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic Media Entertainment Company
New York


Feli di Giorgio
 

Hey Mitch

Do you think it is advisable to mount a 14 lbs Cooke 18-100 to an EVA1 with the Wooden Camera PL adapter?
19mm rods and lens support obviously included…


Thx 

Feli di Giorgio

VFX @ undisclosed location in the the Bay Area
_______________________________________________
Feli di Giorgio - feli2@... - www.felidigiorgio.com




On Apr 20, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

On Apr 20, 2018, at 1:39 PM, k.grint@... wrote:

Requirements -

200fps plus (most of our DSLRs get near this now so extending the 'footprint' is good for experimental Fine Art types)
Large sensor (Super 35) - 4:2:2 minimum. 
RAW is preferable too (even if an external recorder is required as per FS700)
Interchangeable lenses - with Metabones adapters

I may be a tad biased here, but I would suggest the Panasonic EVA1. 

- In 2K EVA1 can shoot up to 240fps. 
- EVA1 has 10-bit 4:2:2 in both LongGOP and All-I codecs
- EVA1 can output RAW in 5.7K30p, 4K60p, and 2K240p
- EVA1 RAW can currently be recorded on the Atomos Shogun Inferno in ProRes RAW, CinemaDNG, or RAW converted to video and recorded as DNx or ProRes. 
- Super-35 sensor, 14-stop Dynamic Range, Dual Native ISO, V-Log/V-Gamut
- EF lens mount with 3rd party retrofit to PL available
- Beautiful Panasonic colors
- SDI & HDMI outputs
- Small & light
- Tons of other sweet stuff

I’m responsible for the camera in the US so I do come from a certain perspective, but I do come by it honestly. It’s great for schools. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic Media Entertainment Company
New York


Mitch Gross
 

On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Feli di Giorgio <feli2@...> wrote:

Hey Mitch

Do you think it is advisable to mount a 14 lbs Cooke 18-100 to an EVA1 with the Wooden Camera PL adapter?
19mm rods and lens support obviously included…

Interesting that you’re the second person to ask me about that today. I saw there’s one for sale.  Hmm. 

Yes, the combo would work just fine. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic Media Entertainment Company
New York


Feli di Giorgio
 


On Apr 20, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

Interesting that you’re the second person to ask me about that today. I saw there’s one for sale.  Hmm. 
Yes, the combo would work just fine. 


Hmmm, must be something in the air. I’ve had my Cooke 18-100 for some time now. Lovely piece of glass. Considering the small size of the EVA1 I was just curious if it could handle the weight. 

Good to hear they are a match.

Thanks

Feli di Giorgio

VFX @ undisclosed location in the the Bay Area

_______________________________________________
Feli di Giorgio - feli2@... - www.felidigiorgio.com



Mitch Gross
 

On Apr 20, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Feli di Giorgio <feli2@...> wrote:

I’ve had my Cooke 18-100 for some time now. Lovely piece of glass. Considering the small size of the EVA1 I was just curious if it could handle the weight. 

As you noted, that lens requires a proper baseplate and support. Given that the camera weight doesn’t make a difference. All of the strength is in the metal below. Still, the EVA1 with WC PL mount is plenty strong. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic Media Entertainment Company
New York


Steven Bradford
 

On Apr 20, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

- Tons of other sweet stuff
As we are also probably going to make the EVA1 our next camera, and I really appreciate the “Home Screen” display in addition to the traditional full function menu that is similar to the Alexa, which will help my students when we also get an Alexa soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzktecdP9g
Steven Bradford
Cinematographer / Instructor
Seattle Film Institute
Seattle / USA

k.grint@...
 

Thanks Mitch.

I really like the EVA too and it is on my list.
Any others anyone?

Ken
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Ken Grint, Senior Lecturer, Sheffield Hallam University, UK

Ben Rowland, Yonder Blue Films
 

Not sure if this fits every requirement, but I’ve really enjoyed our Ursa Mini Pro. I like the EVA1 a lot too though. I’ve tried the C200, and it’s a good camera as well in that same price range, but little things keep it from being a great camera. If I was buying today and was looking to spend about $7k on the camera body, it would be between the UMP and the EVA1. Both have their advantages. Rather than list them, I’d suggest you rent both of them and see what you prefer. Honestly I would love to add an EVA1 kit to our camera options as it would be better suited to some of our projects. 

Rent them both at the same time for a week and see what you like. Then you’ll be confident in your decision. 

Best of luck,
Benjamin Rowland 
Director, Atlanta 


On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:03 AM <k.grint@...> wrote:
Thanks Mitch.

I really like the EVA too and it is on my list.
Any others anyone?

Ken
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Ken Grint, Senior Lecturer, Sheffield Hallam University, UK

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Ben Rowland

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