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DSLR's & slow-mo

 

We're doing a BodyCam shot with a lightweight camera… such as a DSLR or BM Pocket, or similar.
Actor is very small build, and a lot of weight isn’t going to work.  

Challenge is, we also need to do some slow-motion in the 40 or 48 or 60 fps range (basically whatever avoids LED flicker at our location).  

Yes the rolling shutter of the smaller / lighter cameras isn’t going to help. 

We’d considered BM Pocket, Fuji XT2 (really good F-Log now and solid autofocus on X-Mount lenses) and Sony A7s, but the fps options aren’t there on any of those.  
Smaller sensor cameras also don’t get us a good wide angle, even the micro-4/3rds doesn’t hack it as the angle-of-view is tighter - one of the reasons we like the idea of Sony A7 FF sensor with maybe a 24mm lens.  The softened BG to isolate our main character would be a plus here too.  

HD 1920x1080 only, no need for 4K on this one.  
Anyone have suggestions of other lightweight cameras that can do a decent amount of fps ?  
Should I get an A-Minima again?    :-)

mdp



Mark Doering-Powell, ASC
LA based DP 


Mako Koiwai
 

X-T3! Not that old 2 :-)

Does 60 fps at your res plus 4K

16 mm 1.4 Fujinon is fabulous.

Eye Focus AF is terrific.

Camera is light and small

Makofoto, Alhambra, Ca

Mako Koiwai
 


Also has Eternia Film Simulation 

Makofoto, S. Pasadena, Ca


Mitch Gross
 

Strip off the handles to an EVA1 and you’re down to 2.65 pounds (before battery & lens). A pancake prime and a small battery and you’re good to go. Note that in shooting HD, you can shoot up to 120fps while maintaining a Super-35 field of view and 10-bit 422 recording (in V-Log if you want). This means the greatest selection of frame rates to avoid flicker and the most robust image to match your A-Camera footage.

Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager
Panasonic System Solutions Company of North America
New York

Steve Oakley
 

GH5 came to mind ;)  the BMD CP 4K cams are very hard to come by since they are barely shipping. 

Panasonic, Olympus have some very nice wide angle M4/3 glass, as does Rokinon, Voitlander, Sigma. Many options easily available down to 8mm in native or adapted M4/3 mount, prime or short zoom.

Steve Oakley
DP / Editor / Colorist / VFX Artist
Madison & Milwaukee WI
920 544 2230


On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

Strip off the handles to an EVA1 and you’re down to 2.65 pounds (before battery & lens). A pancake prime and a small battery and you’re good to go. Note that in shooting HD, you can shoot up to 120fps while maintaining a Super-35 field of view and 10-bit 422 recording (in V-Log if you want). This means the greatest selection of frame rates to avoid flicker and the most robust image to match your A-Camera footage.

Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager
Panasonic System Solutions Company of North America
New York
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Ben Rowland, Yonder Blue Films
 

I would go with either a Pocket 4K or a stripped down EVA1 as Mitch Gross mentioned. Each would have their advantages. The best choice would depend on your specific needs. There are plenty of EVA1’s out there for rent. I have a Pocket 4K, and I’ll have a second one delivered to me on Monday if FedEx is on time, so I am about to have 2 of them. I’m not a rental house, but I certainly wouldn’t mind helping out a fellow CML member with a rental if that’s the camera you decide you need and are having trouble sourcing one. I have rented specialty gear out on occasion. 

Both cameras have a pretty picture and a robust codec.  The Pocket 4K is MFT, but that keeps the lenses small or allows you to go with a Speedbooster. The EVA1 has electronic image stabilization that may be beneficial and it is natively S35 with an EF mount. I would do some digging on each and see what suits you. Best of luck with your project!

All the best,
Benjamin Rowland, Georgia, I mostly direct, but I occasionally wear the DP hat as well, along with many other hats...
--
Ben Rowland

Jonathan Gentry
 

New FF 5D4 or Canon Mirrorless in HD 60fps with CLOG.

Nice comparisons: https://youtu.be/bwZ9tCcGNFw

Jonathan Gentry | Potomac Media
Technical and Creative Services
P.240.299.5460

On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Doering-Powell, ASC via Cml.News <markdp123=me.com@...> wrote:

We're doing a BodyCam shot with a lightweight camera… such as a DSLR or BM Pocket, or similar.
Actor is very small build, and a lot of weight isn’t going to work.  

Challenge is, we also need to do some slow-motion in the 40 or 48 or 60 fps range (basically whatever avoids LED flicker at our location).  

Yes the rolling shutter of the smaller / lighter cameras isn’t going to help. 

We’d considered BM Pocket, Fuji XT2 (really good F-Log now and solid autofocus on X-Mount lenses) and Sony A7s, but the fps options aren’t there on any of those.  
Smaller sensor cameras also don’t get us a good wide angle, even the micro-4/3rds doesn’t hack it as the angle-of-view is tighter - one of the reasons we like the idea of Sony A7 FF sensor with maybe a 24mm lens.  The softened BG to isolate our main character would be a plus here too.  

HD 1920x1080 only, no need for 4K on this one.  
Anyone have suggestions of other lightweight cameras that can do a decent amount of fps ?  
Should I get an A-Minima again?    :-)

mdp



Mark Doering-Powell, ASC
LA based DP 


M Bulbenko
 

Hi Mark. 

The x-t2 and new x-T3 will do 120fps in HD but the X-T3 does 60p in DCI 4K at 10bit. 


On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Ben Rowland, Yonder Blue Films <ben@...> wrote:
I would go with either a Pocket 4K or a stripped down EVA1 as Mitch Gross mentioned. Each would have their advantages. The best choice would depend on your specific needs. There are plenty of EVA1’s out there for rent. I have a Pocket 4K, and I’ll have a second one delivered to me on Monday if FedEx is on time, so I am about to have 2 of them. I’m not a rental house, but I certainly wouldn’t mind helping out a fellow CML member with a rental if that’s the camera you decide you need and are having trouble sourcing one. I have rented specialty gear out on occasion. 

Both cameras have a pretty picture and a robust codec.  The Pocket 4K is MFT, but that keeps the lenses small or allows you to go with a Speedbooster. The EVA1 has electronic image stabilization that may be beneficial and it is natively S35 with an EF mount. I would do some digging on each and see what suits you. Best of luck with your project!

All the best,
Benjamin Rowland, Georgia, I mostly direct, but I occasionally wear the DP hat as well, along with many other hats...
--
Ben Rowland



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Ganzo
 

The Sony A7SII does 120 fps in HFR mode, HD not 4K but it looks good. The negative is the mbps is low.

Tim Sassoon
 

Mark,

Why not shoot 1080p 120FPS with the A7R3, for example, and derive your 48fps, 60fps etc from that in post?


Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA



On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mark Doering-Powell, ASC via Cml.News <markdp123=me.com@...> wrote:

We're doing a BodyCam shot with a lightweight camera… such as a DSLR or BM Pocket, or similar.
Actor is very small build, and a lot of weight isn’t going to work.  

Challenge is, we also need to do some slow-motion in the 40 or 48 or 60 fps range (basically whatever avoids LED flicker at our location).  

Yes the rolling shutter of the smaller / lighter cameras isn’t going to help. 

We’d considered BM Pocket, Fuji XT2 (really good F-Log now and solid autofocus on X-Mount lenses) and Sony A7s, but the fps options aren’t there on any of those.  
Smaller sensor cameras also don’t get us a good wide angle, even the micro-4/3rds doesn’t hack it as the angle-of-view is tighter - one of the reasons we like the idea of Sony A7 FF sensor with maybe a 24mm lens.  The softened BG to isolate our main character would be a plus here too.  

HD 1920x1080 only, no need for 4K on this one.  
Anyone have suggestions of other lightweight cameras that can do a decent amount of fps ?  
Should I get an A-Minima again?    :-)

mdp



Mark Doering-Powell, ASC
LA based DP 


 

Ganzo wrote:
The Sony A7SII does 120 fps in HFR mode, HD not 4K but it looks good. The negative is the mbps is low.

Yes thank you.  
And thanks to everyone who made suggestions.  
There’s so many cameras out there - and its easy to fall back on a GoPro, but given the tests we shot the FF DSLR’s do look lot more interesting even with a 16mm lens.  

Really liked the Panasonic EVA recommendation - I’d tested and shot with it earlier this year, and it wasn’t on my radar since its not as small as a DSLR, but its only about 1 more pint of ice cream worth of weight, and does everything you could possible need.  

mdp



Mark Doering-Powell, ASC
LA based DP 





 

Tim writes:
Why not shoot 1080p 120FPS with the A7R3, for example, and derive your 48fps, 60fps etc from that in post?

Because at this particular location, we’d very likely invite some really bad LED flicker.  
Its built-in LEDs everywhere.  
And 120fps reduces your shutter options to something that gets into the riskier range. 

We need a few FPS that we can test and playback on Fri when we get there, to check whether it works.  

mdp




Mark Doering-Powell, ASC
LA based DP