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MONITOR ON BOARD

Luca Nervegna
 

Hello to all!
I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor to have with me in different productions and different cameras.
My first choice would be tvlogic but they don't record... 
any advice? i'm looking at odissey q7 or videodevice (pix-e7 or e5)
something more?

thank you in advance
Luca Nervegna


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Tinx Chan
 

I’d personally recommend Video Devices— 

not only do they give you all the exposure tools you need—waveform, zebras, etc... it’s compact and sturdy, easy customizable frame lines, and best of all, it has both touch screen and ACTUAL buttons to quickly access your toolset— very fast and reliable...

(Touch screen only monitors, I find is very frustrating in certain field situations.)

Though, one thing that can make PIX better is if they would enable customizable false color options, which I believe currently only Odyssey has.

cheers,
-tinx

dop, NYC


On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 4:43 AM Luca Nervegna <lucanervegna@...> wrote:
Hello to all!
I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor to have with me in different productions and different cameras.
My first choice would be tvlogic but they don't record... 
any advice? i'm looking at odissey q7 or videodevice (pix-e7 or e5)
something more?

thank you in advance
Luca Nervegna


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It’s been a very long time since there has been any update on the video devices firmware.. 

There are a couple of niggles that needs sorting but I still like them :-)

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On 30 Jun 2018, at 16:24, Tinx Chan <Mr.tinx@...> wrote:

Though, one thing that can make PIX better is if they would enable customizable false color options, which I believe currently only Odyssey has.

Jan Klier
 

The same appears to be true for Convergent Design, they’ve gotten a lot quieter and slower. A quite serious bug in audio playback hasn’t been fixed in over a year.

Atomos appears to be the most active and visible brand in the market at the moment.

Jan Klier
DP NYC

On Jun 30, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Michael Sanders <glowstars@...> wrote:

It’s been a very long time since there has been any update on the video devices firmware.. 

Art Adams
 

I own two Pix-Es and the scopes are great. That's mostly what I user it for. The picture isn't great for judging color but good for framing. The recorder works great and the manufacturer allows you to build your own media (buy the caddy, drop in your own SSD).

Disclosure: Adam Wilt and I worked on the Pix-E project. Adam wrote the scopes.

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On Jun 30, 2018 at 8:24 AM, <Tinx Chan> wrote:

I’d personally recommend Video Devices— 

not only do they give you all the exposure tools you need—waveform, zebras, etc... it’s compact and sturdy, easy customizable frame lines, and best of all, it has both touch screen and ACTUAL buttons to quickly access your toolset— very fast and reliable...

(Touch screen only monitors, I find is very frustrating in certain field situations.)

Though, one thing that can make PIX better is if they would enable customizable false color options, which I believe currently only Odyssey has.

cheers,
-tinx

dop, NYC

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 4:43 AM Luca Nervegna <lucanervegna@...> wrote:
Hello to all!
I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor to have with me in different productions and different cameras.
My first choice would be tvlogic but they don't record... 
any advice? i'm looking at odissey q7 or videodevice (pix-e7 or e5)
something more?

thank you in advance
Luca Nervegna


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Steve Oakley
 

the newer atomos stuff is ok, and cheap enough its paid for quickly and you don’t care. I have a sumo19 and clients really like it, although not on camera. the other 7” atomos are ok too and I work with them all the time. odyssey 7 is fine too although I think all the tiny stuff on the screen is a pain, and the menu’s are worse than a sony camera :/ 

S

On Jun 30, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Jan Klier <jan@...> wrote:

The same appears to be true for Convergent Design, they’ve gotten a lot quieter and slower. A quite serious bug in audio playback hasn’t been fixed in over a year.

Atomos appears to be the most active and visible brand in the market at the moment.

Jan Klier
DP NYC

On Jun 30, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Michael Sanders <glowstars@...> wrote:

It’s been a very long time since there has been any update on the video devices firmware.. 

Alex Metcalfe DoP
 

I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor 

I use an atomos shogun which has been very reliable and good value. Picture quality is good as a guide. Colours seem to be natural. I run it off d tap with a bolt which runs all day off 1 v lock battery. Customer service is excellent, we went through a period of assistants dropping ours which resulted in 2 broken screens ( dropped again shortly after the first repair!). Atomos replace the screen for 300 Euro and replaced any cracked casings free of charge. Directors have been happy with it although not good enough for focus puller to use.

Alex Metcalfe
DoP
UK
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From: Luca Nervegna
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:43
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Subject:[cml-general] MONITOR ON BOARD

Hello to all!
I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor to have with me in different productions and different cameras.
My first choice would be tvlogic but they don't record... 
any advice? i'm looking at odissey q7 or videodevice (pix-e7 or e5)
something more?

thank you in advance
Luca Nervegna


Luca Nervegna
Director of Photography

John Hafner
 

>> buying a good trustable onboard monitor

If you can get over the lack of recording, (Perhaps use a cheap ninja with prores 422?) The new line of 5" and 7" Transvideo are really great.  Super easy to see even in bright sun, very little reflections, great color, TONS of useful and quick to access features.   You can get into one of their smaller models for ~$1300 I think?  They are an Import but the current models really really impressed me at Cinegear this year.    My 2nd choice would be the TVLogic 058.  It has a really well calibrated screen that helps evaluate lighting levels by eye.  It's not as good in bright daylight but you can put a hood on it and then it makes a great operator monitor. Not a big fan of the Pix or Oddessy monitors at all  as they are not easy (read impossible) to see in daylight.  

 

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Emmanuel SUYS
 

Greetings,

Are you looking for a monitor or a recorder? It's a compromise. As far
as monitors are concerned, I looked at various makes and models at IBC
last year. I wanted a solid, ease of use, clear screen. I decided to go
for the Transvideo 7".  Not a fan of touchscreen, I wanted dedicated
buttons, which I can operate fast. Well build, clever build I would say.
Has so far withstood all types of weather conditions.  Whether working
as a focus puller or operator, the various viewing modes are appropriate
and the tools are concise. Customer service is also top.  No
"schickimicki" as we say over here. Best investment in a monitor, I did
in a long time.
If you want a monitor with a dedicated recorder then it depends on the
type of setup you most likely are going to have. Not many good choices
about but I rather let others reply on that.

My 2 cents
Manny, sunny Munich

On 30/06/18 10:43, Luca Nervegna wrote:

I'm thinking about buying a good trustable onboard monitor to have
with me in different productions and different cameras.
My first choice would be tvlogic but they don't record...
any advice?
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Ben Ruffell
 

Personally, I find the Pix E5 to be a fantastic onboard monitor for a DP.

I use it on all camera brands.

I use the E7 as my Director’s hand held monitor.

Great images, good tools. The auto record works well most of the time.

My only complaint, is that Video Devices still has not bought out larger sizes! A 13” and a 17” would be popular.

Regards,

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I’ve never got my E5 looking amazing, always seems a bit “odd” compared to the E7.

But the E5 makes a great onboard for the A7s.  If I’m shooting two cameras say A7 and F55 I’ll use the E5 as a monitor recorder on board the A7s and then use the E7 as my monitor on the F55 and have the A7s as the 2nd I/p.

I really like the pictures on my Small HD OLED but the UI is takes a bit of remembering..

Michael Sanders
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On 1 Jul 2018, at 10:26, Ben Ruffell <benruffell@...> wrote:

Personally, I find the Pix E5 to be a fantastic onboard monitor for a DP. 

I use it on all camera brands. 

MARK FOERSTER
 

Regarding the small hd - you cannot set the pluge properly (at least inside)
Which makes it not the best wysiwyg monitor in the world. You can get it close (on bars) by backing off the backlight to almost zero but then the picture is a bit dim. Obviously you can use all the other tools like waveform/histogram to ensure proper exposure and with LOG you’ve got a stop or two of play room unless you totally underexposed it. I own the small and think it’s great for viewing - just make sure you bring its backlight down inside or you WILL underexpose ..

Mark Foerster csc
Toronto
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Art Adams
 


I’ve never got my E5 looking amazing, always seems a bit “odd” compared to the E7.
 
The E7 is definitely better for color, etc. The E5 is okay at best. It looks a bit too bright unless you lower the blacks a little.

I tend not to light to them. I either use them as framing monitors or, as I mentioned before, as scopes. I shot a VR project the other day and used both of them as scopes to monitor two of the cameras on opposite sides of the ball.

I'd always wanted a dedicated Leader scope for exposure and color evaluation but could never justify the cost. These little monitors do a good job that way. They're also good for carpentry if you lose your hammer, as they're solid little bastards.

There are definitely better monitors for color and contrast evaluation, though. I've seen the Transvideo OLED monitors that are designed to work specifically with Arri products and they look great, although they are too small for a lot of things and the UIs are funky to say the least.

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