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Panasonic EVA1 for $5800 - worth it?

Jignesh Jhaveri, Photographer + DOP, Mumbai, India.
 

So Panasonic is running a special in India with the Panasonic EVA1 going for $5800 (equivalent in INR)

We have been considering the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro, and are wondering whether it's worth looking at the PANASONIC AU-EVA1 5.7K SUPER 35 SENSOR

The price with duties and taxes seems almost too good :-)

Primary usage is narrative, in studio and table top work.

Any and all advice welcome and appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Jignesh Jhaveri
DOP, Mumbai, India.

Geoff Boyle
 

You may want to look at :-

 

https://cinematography.net/CanonC200--PanasonicEVA-BMD-UrsaMP-original-camera-files-from-tests.html

 

https://cinematography.net/CineRant/2018/01/09/c200-eva-ursamp-im-going-to-duck-and-cover-now/

 

Things have changed since that last link, the ERVA has got better recording, in fact very good recording and it can be recorded externally for raw (ísh)

 

So now I’d say that the EVA and the C200 are roughly equal, if large amounts of data worry you then get the EVA, if autofocus is most important then get the C200, if you like a “traditional” camera body that is one of the most robust out there get the UMP.

 

 

cheers
Geoff Boyle NSC
EU based cinematographer
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www.gboyle.nl

www.cinematography.net

 

 

From: cml-general@... <cml-general@...> On Behalf Of Jignesh Jhaveri, Photographer + DOP, Mumbai, India.
Sent: 29 October 2018 09:10
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Subject: [cml-general] Panasonic EVA1 for $5800 - worth it?

 

So Panasonic is running a special in India with the Panasonic EVA1 going for $5800 (equivalent in INR)

We have been considering the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro, and are wondering whether it's worth looking at the PANASONIC AU-EVA1 5.7K SUPER 35 SENSOR

The price with duties and taxes seems almost too good :-)

Primary usage is narrative, in studio and table top work.

Any and all advice welcome and appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Jignesh Jhaveri
DOP, Mumbai, India.

Jignesh Jhaveri, Photographer + DOP, Mumbai, India.
 

Thanks Geoff, very succinctly put! been using the UMP - quite happy with it, minor complaint with highlight roll off and perceived lower dynamic range than the RED DSMC2 series.

Downloading the tests now, to study them.

Mark Wiggins
 

Buying a Panasonic EVA1 has been a good investment for me; I’ve been getting it out on a lot of jobs.  You get a lot of bang for you bucks.  I also used it recently in conjunction with a Black Magic on a low budget job that I did (DOP’s choice to mix the two; I was just operating).  I have to say, I find it quite easy to tell the EVA footage from the Black Magic.  I prefer the look of the EVA.

Regards,

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On 29 Oct 2018, at 08:09, Jignesh Jhaveri, Photographer + DOP, Mumbai, India. <jignesh.jhaveri@...> wrote:

Any and all advice welcome and appreciated!

Jonathan Gentry
 

A Note on UMP 

The UMP has recently been updated with V4 color science and has gotten overall rave reviews from owners.  Some who have reported not liking the look of the image were using the film to rec709 LUT which was pretty limiting on high DR scenes if not adjusted in a prior node (Resolve.) The new update makes the color and roll off respond very much like Alexa LOG C LUT out of the box and better contains the DR.

Alternatively what I was doing for quick turn projects with the old V3 color science (ProRes) was doing a color space transform from UMP Film to ARRI and then applying LogC LUT to the footage and custom grading in the nodes before the LUT.

The new update with V4 color science really does improve the camera, especially for those who don’t completely understand how to color from scratch.

Jonathan Gentry | Potomac Media
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On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:30 AM, Mark Wiggins <scare@...> wrote:

Buying a Panasonic EVA1 has been a good investment for me; I’ve been getting it out on a lot of jobs.  You get a lot of bang for you bucks.  I also used it recently in conjunction with a Black Magic on a low budget job that I did (DOP’s choice to mix the two; I was just operating).  I have to say, I find it quite easy to tell the EVA footage from the Black Magic.  I prefer the look of the EVA.

Regards,


On 29 Oct 2018, at 08:09, Jignesh Jhaveri, Photographer + DOP, Mumbai, India. <jignesh.jhaveri@...> wrote:

Any and all advice welcome and appreciated!

Colin Elves
 

I’ve had my EVA1 for nearly a year now and am extremely happy with it. Likewise my clients are very happy with it - on a recent job the director complemented the colourist on an ‘amazing grade’ which consisted of him applying the Varicam ACES IDT and... sending it off.

Everyone is loving the colours and look of this camera - which for me is the most important thing.

Like every camera at this price range it has its downsides and limitations but I personally think it has the best sensor in its class and the size, weight and feature set make it incredibly flexible.

Main issues are:
1. You need to get a loupe or EVF.
2. It’s worth being careful about which SD cards you buy (AngelBird seem to be very reliable).

Colin Elves
Director of Photography
Currently Bucks, but back to Berlin this afternoon....

Steve Oakley
 
Edited

Abelcine is producing an under $10K camera review series, and the UMP is featured here https://www.abelcine.com/articles/blog-and-knowledge/tutorials-and-guides/introducing-4k-for-10k-with-jem-schofield
 
They also did the EVA-1 as their first cam in the series.
EDIT: I'm referring to BMD UMP below 

There are downloadable camera files from the tests. I downloaded the 32gb file . The thing that killed this camera for me was the fixed pattern vertical and horizontal noise. Not a slight noise pattern like some other cameras which is buried in the bottom stop of of black and normally goes away in grading, but up maybe 2-3 stops above black and well into an area you’d keep in normal grading. The vertical streaks where quite visible in normal shots. Maybe the reviewer didn’t black balance the camera, maybe he had a bad factory calibration on his, a bad sensor or made some other operating error but I’ve seen other BMD cameras also do the same thing, just not as bad. I’d be extremely cautious about considering a BMD camera and take the EVA1 over it for sure right now.
 
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DP / Editor / Colorist / VFX Artist
Madison & Milwaukee WI
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On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:06 AM, Jonathan Gentry <jgentry@...> wrote:
 
Alternatively what I was doing for quick turn projects with the old V3 color science (ProRes) was doing a color space transform from UMP Film to ARRI and then applying LogC LUT to the footage and custom grading in the nodes before the LUT.
 
The new update with V4 color science really does improve the camera, especially for those who don’t completely understand how to color from scratch.

Mitch Gross
 

On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@...> wrote:

The thing that killed this camera for me was the fixed pattern vertical and horizontal noise.

Steve, can you please clarify your comments? I believe you are referring to a different camera having this issue, not the EVA1, but it could easily be misunderstood. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic System Solutions Company of North America
New York


Steve Oakley
 

Yes Mitch I’m referring to the UMP having fixed pattern noise of significance.

Steve Oakley
DP / Editor / Colorist / VFX Artist
Madison & Milwaukee WI
920 544 2230

On Oct 29, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@...> wrote:

The thing that killed this camera for me was the fixed pattern vertical and horizontal noise.

Steve, can you please clarify your comments? I believe you are referring to a different camera having this issue, not the EVA1, but it could easily be misunderstood. 


Mitch Gross
Cinema Product Manager 
Panasonic System Solutions Company of North America
New York


Jonathan Gentry
 

Indeed that was an issue on the early UM4.6 cameras and I hear support is still swapping those out no questions asked.  Not aware of reports of the fix pattern noise in the UMP.    

Here are my comparisons with the ARRI Alexa prior to V4 color science: https://vimeo.com/281035603/415ca9ad10

 

Jonathan Gentry | Potomac Media

Technical and Creative Services

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Phone: 240.299.5460

 

From: cml-general@... <cml-general@...> On Behalf Of Mitch Gross
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [cml-general] Panasonic EVA1 for $5800 - worth it?

 

On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@...> wrote:


The thing that killed this camera for me was the fixed pattern vertical and horizontal noise.

 

Steve, can you please clarify your comments? I believe you are referring to a different camera having this issue, not the EVA1, but it could easily be misunderstood. 

 

Mitch Gross

Cinema Product Manager 

Panasonic System Solutions Company of North America

New York

 

Geoff Boyle
 

UMP fixed pattern noise was hugely reduced in the latest firmware.

 

Not that I had a problem with it in the earlier version but then again I tend to go for a “heavy neg”

 

I don’t see it badly here either https://cmltests.net/BMDUrsaMini-Pro-2018.html

 

 

cheers
Geoff Boyle NSC
EU based cinematographer
+31 637155076

www.gboyle.nl

www.cinematography.net

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Bob Kertesz
 

Here are my comparisons with the ARRI Alexa prior to V4 color science: https://vimeo.com/281035603/415ca9ad10

Aside from the smaller dynamic range, the flesh tone on the BM camera seemed to have far less subtle tone variation/gradation.

I was viewing this on a 27" uncalibrated computer monitor in a browser window, so take the comment for what it's worth under those circumstances. The only viewing environments that would be worse would be a tablet, then a phone.

-Bob

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On 10/29/2018 9:40 AM, Jonathan Gentry wrote:

Indeed that was an issue on the early UM4.6 cameras and I hear support is still swapping those out no questions asked.  Not aware of reports of the fix pattern noise in the UMP.    

Here are my comparisons with the ARRI Alexa prior to V4 color science: https://vimeo.com/281035603/415ca9ad10

 

Jonathan Gentry | Potomac Media

Technical and Creative Services

2872 Portobello Ct. Waldorf, MD 20603

Phone: 240.299.5460

 


Jan Klier
 

An additional consideration could be that the EVA-1 is part of a family that has a lot of head-room to grow into. The UMP doesn’t have any bigger brothers/sisters.

Start with the EVA, then got LT or 35 and keep the EVA as B-cam.

Jan Klier
DP NYC
(very happy with my LT)

On Oct 29, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Bob Kertesz <bob@...> wrote:

Aside from the smaller dynamic range, the flesh tone on the BM camera seemed to have far less subtle tone variation/gradation.

Matthew Woolf
 

Sorry to hijack the conversation but I can’t figure out how to creat a new post on the new discussion list from the CML website - can anyone help please

Thanks 

Matthew Woolf
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On Oct 29, 2018, at 13:11, Geoff Boyle <geoff.cml@...> wrote:

UMP fixed pattern noise was hugely reduced in the latest firmware.

 

Not that I had a problem with it in the earlier version but then again I tend to go for a “heavy neg”

 

I don’t see it badly here either https://cmltests.net/BMDUrsaMini-Pro-2018.html

 

 

cheers
Geoff Boyle NSC
EU based cinematographer
+31 637155076

www.gboyle.nl

www.cinematography.net

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