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Panasonic GH5S mounted on Vehicles?

Jon Swindall
 

Hello Cinematographers -

I’ve got a project that’s calling for 3 small mounted cameras on/in a car - night and day driving with dialog.  

GoPro’s and Black Magic Mini have been in discussion.  They both have their tradeoffs BUT if the Panasonic GH5s is able to be fairly smooth w/o jello it might take the cake with size, cost, timecode in, and low light performance.  

Does anyone have any examples or experience of vehicle mounting with the GH5S?   I’ve seen some good results from some you tubers but wondered if anybody else had any experience with this camera in vibration situations. 

Thanks-

Jon Swindall 
Atlanta DP 

Mark Sasahara
 

John, 

Have you considered the Sony RX0? It's about the same size as a GoPro, but it's not really an action camera. Has a 1" sensor, but fixed f/4 lens, 24mm FSF (Full Stills frame). Does picture profiles, or S-Log 2. Uncompressed QFHD (3840x2160) 4:2:2 via, Micro HDMI out, to an external recorder.

I have not used one, but the marketing wank says jello is minimal. It can link together with multiple cameras, via a control box and LAN connection to computer with Sony software. I believe they can sync TC for multicam, VR, etc. Control via phone/tablet, but not sure how much. Filter adapter plate for filters/ND, battery, etc.

I have been curious about the RX0, as compared to the Go Pro, etc. But it does look like you need a lot of extra gear to record 4K and control. There are a bunch of video on YouTube reviewing it.

Or maybe Canon C300/200? Find a car with a really deep dashboard to windshield space.

Best,

-Mark "Sorry, but I appear to be morphing in a Sony shill" Sasahara, DP, NYC


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I’ve got a project that’s calling for 3 small mounted cameras on/in a car - night and day driving with dialog.  

GoPro’s and Black Magic Mini have been in discussion.  They both have their tradeoffs BUT if the Panasonic GH5s is able to be fairly smooth w/o jello"

Jon Swindall 
Atlanta DP

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John Brawley
 



On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Jon Swindall <swindyfilms@...> wrote:

GoPro’s and Black Magic Mini have been in discussion.  


Maybe you mean Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera ?

I’ve used these a lot in driving scenarios. I usually mount them inverted (so you can change the battery)

It does TC in, is a super 16 size sensor interchangeable lens mount (a 16mm format Zeiss super speed works nice in this scenario) and it has a faster integration time (rolling shutter) than most other cameras in this class, plus it shoots 10bit ProRes and 12 bit LOG compressed RAW so much better files for post. 

It’s certainly smaller than the GH5s too.  Only place I think the GH would be better would be in low light ?

JB

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Hi Jon,

I’m doing the same thing for film that starts next week but mounting on to a bicycle.  I am shooting the film with Varicam LTs so the obvious choice is a GH5s.  I am about to order one right now.  I can tell you how it goes if two weeks from now is not too late.

Best,
Charles

On Mar 19, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jon Swindall <swindyfilms@...> wrote:

I’ve got a project that’s calling for 3 small mounted cameras on/in a car - night and day driving with dialog.  

GoPro’s and Black Magic Mini have been in discussion.  They both have their tradeoffs BUT if the Panasonic GH5s is able to be fairly smooth w/o jello it might take the cake with size, cost, timecode in, and low light performance.  


Charles Schner + Cinematographer + Camera Operator
310-399-9246 + 310-994-5429 + www.cinecas.com
Back in L.A.

Mako Koiwai
 

May I ask why you would choose the GH5 model without Image Stabilization, ie. the GH5S.



makofoto, s. pasadena, ca

Jon Swindall
 

Thank you for your replies.   I’ll check out the Sony RXO and Black Magic Micro. 

To Mako: I believe that the image stabilization of the GH5 can cause problems when using IS lenses.  And - when you turn off the GH5’s sensor stabilizer -it’s not steady as it floats arounds as it’s held in by magnets.  Which I guess is why they turned it off.  

I was told by a GH5 owner that the “S” sensor is faster at processing the image off the chip (don’t know facts -speculating).  It’s also touted as better in low light.  But - This is why I’m investigating b/c I wanted to see some more examples. 

This is an interesting youtube video of comparison of mounting and GH5/GH5S (testing starts after first 2mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nkDqsT_STc

Thank You John for pointing it out that yes Black Magic Micro was what production had meant to say.  I hadn’t seen these before.  They look like a strong possibility.  Thank you for mentioning.  

It was said to me that “Shot in the Dark” on Netflix used the Black Magic Micro for similar purpose for recording in car. I haven’t seen it yet.  I’m gonna check it out. 

Thank you Charles.  Good luck with it on the bike.  What lenses are you gonna use with it if I may ask? I was curious if you were going to use an adapter for lens options or go with the MFT mount. 

I was able to get the GH5S coming on rental for some projects this week and I’ll be able to do some more testing.  I’ve got it paired to shoot with the Panasonic Leica 12-60 2.8/4.  And an SLR Magic 4/3 25mm t.95 Cine- which sounds perfectly dreamy.  

Thanks-

Jon Swindall
Atlanta DP

John Brawley
 




On Mar 20, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Jon Swindall <swindyfilms@...> wrote:

I was able to get the GH5S coming on rental for some projects this week and I’ll be able to do some more testing.  I’ve got it paired to shoot with the Panasonic Leica 12-60 2.8/4.  And an SLR Magic 4/3 25mm t.95 Cine- which sounds perfectly dreamy.  

Hi Jon,

Here’s a clip shot in a car available light only with the SLR Magic 25mm T0.95.  There are three car interior shots at the end of this short clip. We only had 10 mins left at the end of the day and we jumped into a car with the actor and just stole what we could.  It was the quickest way to shoot this.

Camera was actually an Olympus EM5 Mark II @ ISO800 and this and current Olympus flagship the EM1 Mark 2 have best in class in-body stabilising. 


jb


John Brawley
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Colemar Nichols
 

as JB said the Blackmagic Micro cameras are the way to go. I haven’t used it with the Varicams, but it intercuts with Alexa well. On ‘Rose’ we had the added benefit of putting it in a police cruiser and had it in shot a couple times, blended right in with the other gack.

Colemar Nichols
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ABQ, NM

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Hi Jon,

Bill Wages, ASC suggested to me that I try the Olympus 12mm F2. It’s light, can be used in both autofocus mode and in a true manual mode (via clutch). I will use that lens when mounted and a M4/3 to PL adapter with our primes when used as a small third camera.

Charles Schner
Cinematographer + Camera Operator
Back in L.A.

On Mar 20, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Jon Swindall <swindyfilms@...> wrote:

Thank you Charles. Good luck with it on the bike. What lenses are you gonna use with it if I may ask? I was curious if you were going to use an adapter for lens options or go with the MFT mount.

Jon Swindall
 


Thanks again for your replies!


Bill Wages, ASC suggested to me that I try the Olympus 12mm F2. 

Awesome Charles!  I forgot about that lens.  That’s a great lens for that purpose.  That clutch ring for the AF/F threw me off the first  time thinking it was defective.   I have that as a lens for my backup Drone Cam (DJI X5) which has an Mft mount - great sharpness.  I’ll try it out on the GH5S soon.   Thanks. 

Thanks Colemar.  Good to know that the BM Micro cuts well with the Alexa’s well.  Did you happen to try any nights with it?  

Thank you John Brawley for sharing the video of the SLR Magic lens.  Yes!!   Looks great.  I’m looking forward to playing with it this week.  

- Jon 


Jon Swindall
Atlanta DP

Colemar Nichols
 

Jon Swindall wrote: “Good to know that the BM Micro cuts well with the Alexa’s well. Did you happen to try any nights with it? “
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we did, but our night travelling shots were poor man’s process, so we only shot the road and scenery from the hoodmount on the BM Micro Cinema camera. It looked great, low noise, and still cut well.

Colemar Nichols
DoP
ABQ, NM

Mako Koiwai
 


current Olympus flagship the EM1 Mark 2 have best in class in-body stabilizing

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Until the FujiFilm X-H1 came out …. :-)


I’ve rented the EM1 mk2 … it WAS a remarkable camera. Actually perhaps the overall most advanced digital still camera … with built-in Perspective Control and Focus Stacking, besides great IBIS.

https://images14.fotki.com/v1665/filepR6Y/852e2/4/43793/4909192/PCcontrolEM1mk2.jpg



makofoto, s. pasadena, ca

Mako Koiwai
 


To Mako: I believe that the image stabilization of the GH5 can cause problems when using IS lenses. And - when you turn off the GH5’s sensor stabilizer -it’s not steady as it floats arounds as it’s held in by magnets. Which I guess is why they turned it off.


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Perhaps because it’s a bit of a compromise since Micro 4:3’rds lenses have to work with different camera systems?

The FujiFilm X-H1, besides being a very small S35 video camera, enhances the IS built into their IS lenses. For lenses that aren’t IS, it still offers the full 5 Axis In-Body stabilization. I personally don’t know why you would want to turn IBIS off?

https://images47.fotki.com/v1660/photos/4/43793/4909192/XH1IBISchart-vi.png


As you know, the Fujinon lenses are Industry Leading. Their Premier Zooms are The Best. Hasselblad dropped Zeiss to go with Fujinons. For your use the little 18 mm F2.0 … 28 equivalent … might be the ticket. Their 16 mm 1.4 is widely regarded as perhaps their sharpest.


For wider the manual focus Rokinon 10 and 12 mm’s are excellent and inexpensive.


Here is an in-car video using the X-H1 mounted in a car, with IBIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9KDuCCSkIU


makofoto, s. pasadena, ca

kyanos@...
 

Hi Jon,
I was the DP on part of "Shot in the Dark" and we did use the Blackmagic Micro.  We only used it for one of our mounted cameras inside our cars.  It was a profile of the driver and was sucked up against the passenger window.  If I recall, we used the Rokinon primes.   I didn't find the Blackmagics  to be great in low light and had to increase the light levels on the drivers a bit to accommodate the Blackmagic and to cut with our C100's.   I also see that there is a Metabones speed booster to EF  and Nikon so you could use Nikon or Canon glass and get an additional stop of light from the Speed booster.  

We also used an LP-E6 adaptor on the back to cable out to a larger Sony battery.  I think we got about 6 hours of roll time with those batteries.  

I do love the ease of use and size of the Blackmagic for car work.  The cameras hold up very well to vibration as long as they have a good secondary mounting point.  I've used them quite a bit in prop airplanes and jets and they've held up well to the vibration.  

Depending on the environment you are working in, I did have overheating issues with the Blackmagics in upper 90 degree temperatures inside of a plane.  The cameras completely shut down.  

They are great to have a super-16 sensor in a tiny form factor.  


Doug Glover
DP
Los Angeles

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I’m sorry to bring back this topic after a month but I just wrapped my film where I used the GH5s mounted on a bicycle and also as a “C” camera.  It performed beautifully, very little vibration and when used as a “C” camera next to the Varicam LT, I was hard-pressed to see the difference in the image, hmmm…


On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Mako Koiwai <mako1foto@...> wrote:

To Mako: I believe that the image stabilization of the GH5 can cause problems when using IS lenses. And - when you turn off the GH5’s sensor stabilizer -it’s not steady as it floats arounds as it’s held in by magnets. Which I guess is why they turned it off.  

Charles Schner + Cinematographer + Camera Operator
310-399-9246 + 310-994-5429 + www.cinecas.com
Back in NY

Jeffrey Weil
 

Hey John, 

Recently did a day time shoot with the BMPCCs monitored remotely with remote focus while moving down a highway in Beijing,China. The overall result was quite satisfactory. However, depending on your light sources and acceptable grain/noise threshold these may not be the best choice for night work if only using available light. That said, I have had pleasing results in the past when able to punch in some light to augment what is available from the environment. 

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Jeff Weil 
DP Shanghai, China 


On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:24 AM, Mark Sasahara <marksasahara@...> wrote:

John, 

Have you considered the Sony RX0? It's about the same size as a GoPro, but it's not really an action camera. Has a 1" sensor, but fixed f/4 lens, 24mm FSF (Full Stills frame). Does picture profiles, or S-Log 2. Uncompressed QFHD (3840x2160) 4:2:2 via, Micro HDMI out, to an external recorder.

I have not used one, but the marketing wank says jello is minimal. It can link together with multiple cameras, via a control box and LAN connection to computer with Sony software. I believe they can sync TC for multicam, VR, etc. Control via phone/tablet, but not sure how much. Filter adapter plate for filters/ND, battery, etc.

I have been curious about the RX0, as compared to the Go Pro, etc. But it does look like you need a lot of extra gear to record 4K and control. There are a bunch of video on YouTube reviewing it.

Or maybe Canon C300/200? Find a car with a really deep dashboard to windshield space.

Best,

-Mark "Sorry, but I appear to be morphing in a Sony shill" Sasahara, DP, NYC


"On Mar 19, 2018 3:04 PM, 

I’ve got a project that’s calling for 3 small mounted cameras on/in a car - night and day driving with dialog.  

GoPro’s and Black Magic Mini have been in discussion.  They both have their tradeoffs BUT if the Panasonic GH5s is able to be fairly smooth w/o jello"

Jon Swindall 
Atlanta DP

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Mako Koiwai
 

Rodney Charters on using the BM’s on DALLAS:


That was quite some time ago. I would hope that other cameras might be considered now. Hopefully Geoff will be doing his test on the FujiFilm X-H1 soon.

The In-Body I.S. looks excellent, in the tests on YouTube, for a Super35 sensored camera.


Makofoto, s. pasadena, Ca