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Q[cml-general] 16*9 with 9*16 Framing for Fx9


Roni Beraha
 

Hi Jad. 

Thank you. 

It is very helpful. 

I just have to figure out how I can implement this to FX9 and the values in user box settings. 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 18:09 Jad Beyrouthy <jadbeyrouthy@...> wrote:
Hello Roni,

I had a recent shoot where i had to draw those aspect ratios for the producer to understand different aspects for the same shot on different sensors (Alexa mini, Mini LF, Alexa 35)

We finally opted for the Alexa 35 for choice of lenses and resolution. I just sent those drawings to my DIT and he created the frame lines on the Alexa frame line tool (https://tools.arri.com/flt/index.html?_ga=2.253360204.45119542.1663088728-1246306793.1663088728)

I hope this helps.
Cheers,


Jad Beyrouthy
Cinematographer
+9613083975


On 13 Sep 2022, at 7:58 PM, Roni Beraha <eroniberaha@...> wrote:


Hi there.

I have a job coming up where the producer wants to shoot 16*9 and 9*16 for instagram.

I said it is one or the other and proposed that we shoot 16*9 and have another frame guide 1:1 for instagram.

Hee sent me a pic today as he wants to frame like this.

I am not sure it is doable and I don't know what numbers I should write for the User Box settings.

I will appreciate it if anybody can guide me and correct me if I am wrong.


Mark Weingartner, ASC
 

Here are two very low-tech solutions, at least for monitors and LCD screens:

Use a ruler and a calculator to draw 16:9 Horizontal box with your 9:16 box inside it.

Line it up with your camera so the 16:9 box is full frame
Take either chart tape (available at drafting supply/art supply and some office depot sort of stores)  or cut very very thin strips of electrical tape and line out your framing on camera LCD screen
wont be perfect… but then again if you are being asked to accurately and tastefully frame for 16:9 and 9:16 at the same time  perfect is not going to be an option :-)

Alternatively you can buy clear acetate sheets or clear page protector sleeves and make an overlay that you can draw on with sharpie… advantage is you will sort of be able to see through the lines… disadvantage is it would be slightly harder to check focus through the overlay.

These are both ways we solved this with video tap monitors in the film era and how we often deal with VFX framing guides we need to be able to see while shooting

One advantage of the overlay is you can slide it left and right so that you can make a nice off-center composition for the 16:9 and still know what your crop will be on the 9:16

Mark Weingartner, ASC
Director of Photography
inclined towards Visual Effects



+1 818 970 6833 mobile
vfxmark@...
skype: vfxmark


Graham Futerfas
 

On the FX9, the User Box is 269 Height by 151 Width for 9:16. You can horizontally offset it to the left or right, as well. It’s convenient to set it up on that camera, if not a major hassle to frame for it.

The math to figure this out is 9/16=x/(max height). Solve for X, X= 9*(max height) divided by 16. I believe 269 is the max user box height, at least in 4K UHD… might be different in different formats.

Best,
-Graham


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Graham Futerfas
Director of Photography
Los Angeles, CA
www.GFuterfas.com
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Roni Beraha
 

Thank you Graham


On Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 18:50 Graham Futerfas <gfuterfas.cml@...> wrote:
On the FX9, the User Box is 269 Height by 151 Width for 9:16. You can horizontally offset it to the left or right, as well. It’s convenient to set it up on that camera, if not a major hassle to frame for it.

The math to figure this out is 9/16=x/(max height). Solve for X, X= 9*(max height) divided by 16. I believe 269 is the max user box height, at least in 4K UHD… might be different in different formats.

Best,
-Graham


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Graham Futerfas
Director of Photography
Los Angeles, CA
www.GFuterfas.com
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