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Venice or Varicam @ High iso

 

Hey all.

Has anyone done any tests with the Venice @ 2500 ISO or Varicam LT @ 5000 ISO they can point me to?

Thanks.

Michael


Michael Sanders
London Based DP.

+ 44 (0) 7976 269818




Mako Koiwai
 

Varicam LT @ 5000 ISO

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Lots of BIG night exteriors and interiors, are shot on the Varicam at 5,000 on Better Call Saul.

Beautiful … amazing shadow detail.

Google Better Call Saul Varicam and you will find a number of articles on how it’s 5,000 helped them.


makofoto, s. pasadena, ca

Christopher Rowe
 

Hi Michael,

the LT was included in a camera test I was part of in 2016, the 5000 ISO setting was very impressive. Even this dyed-in-the-wool Arri fanboy had to admit that the the LT outperformed my Amira in low light. Here's the comparison video: https://vimeo.com/196782976 and here's a description of the test https://agdok.de/de_DE/cameratest - scroll down to "NIGHT" for the relevant passage.

All the best from Berlin

Chris





Has anyone done any tests with the Venice @ 2500 ISO or Varicam LT @ 5000 ISO they can point me to?



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Christopher Rowe

British DP, based in Berlin

Amira Owner/Operator

www.christopher-rowe.de

 

 

Hey Chris.

Hope your well!

Thanks for the link, really interesting tests.

In our case it’s not night time shooting, we just need quite a healthy stop (possibly T11) and wondering if I can use higher iso to keep lighting costs down).  Usual no time to test, last min shoot and I’m away shooting malarkey.

Thanks.

Michael

Michael Sanders: Director of Photography.  London based but works globally.

reel/credits/kit: www.mjsanders.co.uk    m: +44 (0) 7976 269818

On 30 Oct 2018, at 23:29, Christopher Rowe <chris@...> wrote:

Hi Michael,

the LT was included in a camera test I was part of in 2016, the 5000 ISO setting was very impressive. Even this dyed-in-the-wool Arri fanboy had to admit that the the LT outperformed my Amira in low light. Here's the comparison video: https://vimeo.com/196782976 and here's a description of the test https://agdok.de/de_DE/cameratest - scroll down to "NIGHT" for the relevant passage.

All the best from Berlin

Chris





Has anyone done any tests with the Venice @ 2500 ISO or Varicam LT @ 5000 ISO they can point me to?



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Christopher Rowe

British DP, based in Berlin

Amira Owner/Operator

www.christopher-rowe.de

 

Loren Simons
 

Michael,

If I could be so bold as to suggest a third contender, with my obvious bias as a Canon employee.

I just finished shooting some high ISO comparison footage with our EOS C700 FF and was very impressed with the results. 

We do analog sensor amplification at 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, and 12800 - so the result is a very clean signal with consistent dynamic range distribution throughout the whole range. Compound that with an oversampled 5.9K sensor down to a 4K delivery and it's an incredibly clean signal.

Here is a quick export with 6 second clips of 3200, 6400, and 12800. This test will be very relevant to what you are doing, as I maintained a consistent even exposure at all ISO's via a combination of shutter speed and ND. The first section has the stock Canon 709 LUT applied, and then I repeat the clips without a LUT if you'd like to take them for a spin yourself. It is a 4K ProRes 422 HQ upload, so I recommend downloading it and giving it a quick spin in Resolve. 

Forgive my audio slates.

It's important to note there is zero signal noise reduction applied anywhere through this process - the camera was actually set to our "-1 Noise Reduction" which completely disables the noise reduction algo.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NbQtSk1VgOz5beXG0Ms2SfmpBbrGC8hv

Loren Simons
lsimons@...
Sr. Field Applications Engineer
Canon Burbank
3400 W Olive Ave, STE 250
Burbank California, 91505

alfonso parra
 

Loren, I was very impressed with the noise work on the C700, we shot at  6200 ISO in coal mine with very clean and deep blacks. The tests can be seen in
https://vimeo.com/215791088
https://vimeo.com/216461125
Alfonso Parra AEC, ADFC
www.alfonsoparra.com
Tel Spain 34 639109 309
Tel Colombia 57 3115798776

 

Hi Loren.

Thank you so much for this.

I must admit I hadn’t thought about the C700, I’m downloading the file now and will have a look - very intriguing.  Luckily the jobs been pushed back a week so I’ve now got an opportunity to do some testing…

Thanks,. 

Michael Sanders
London Based DP.

+ 44 (0) 7976 269818




On 31 Oct 2018, at 16:45, lsimons@... wrote:

Michael,

If I could be so bold as to suggest a third contender, with my obvious bias as a Canon employee.

I just finished shooting some high ISO comparison footage with our EOS C700 FF and was very impressed with the results. 

We do analog sensor amplification at 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, and 12800 - so the result is a very clean signal with consistent dynamic range distribution throughout the whole range. Compound that with an oversampled 5.9K sensor down to a 4K delivery and it's an incredibly clean signal.

Here is a quick export with 6 second clips of 3200, 6400, and 12800. This test will be very relevant to what you are doing, as I maintained a consistent even exposure at all ISO's via a combination of shutter speed and ND. The first section has the stock Canon 709 LUT applied, and then I repeat the clips without a LUT if you'd like to take them for a spin yourself. It is a 4K ProRes 422 HQ upload, so I recommend downloading it and giving it a quick spin in Resolve. 

Forgive my audio slates.

It's important to note there is zero signal noise reduction applied anywhere through this process - the camera was actually set to our "-1 Noise Reduction" which completely disables the noise reduction algo.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NbQtSk1VgOz5beXG0Ms2SfmpBbrGC8hv

Loren Simons
lsimons@...
Sr. Field Applications Engineer
Canon Burbank
3400 W Olive Ave, STE 250
Burbank California, 91505

daveblackham@...
 

I hoped to use the C700 FF after some recent tests. The camera looked good but a big part of our requirements was to record raw preferably internally but external recording would have been acceptable to an Atomos recorder or Odessey Q7+ or similar device. A Codex wasnt available to use for a test but I know is a nice device though generates too much data for our needs and is an additional high cost for the recorder and media. We hoped to use a compressed raw format. Are there any plans to interface to other compressed raw recorders ?
Dave Blackham
CEO
Esprit Film and Television Limited

Loren Simons
 

Dave,

I can't speak to any future development on product, but I can tell you that the test I posted used XF-AVC and I am constantly impressed by that format. 

Loren Simons
Sr. Field Applications Engineer
Canon Burbank
3400 W Olive Ave, STE 250
Burbank California, 91505

Mako Koiwai
 

May I ask why you need such a deep stop ... f/11.

Thanks 


Makofoto, s. pasadena, ca

 

We are filming a group of people having a meeting and writing their ideas on glass windows (which will be in the foreground).  the directors wants the ability to see as much as in focus as possible from the writing to the people behind.   Tightest lens will be a 50mm.

We know it won’t give us the depth of field of a smaller sensor but it gives us a bit more to play with.

Michael Sanders: Director of Photography.  London based but works globally.

reel/credits/kit: www.mjsanders.co.uk    m: +44 (0) 7976 269818

On 5 Nov 2018, at 22:44, Mako Koiwai <mako1foto@...> wrote:

May I ask why you need such a deep stop ... f/11.

Thanks