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Wednesday Zoom topic?


Adam Wilt
 

Michael Cieslinski gets a medal from SMPTE. The GH6 gets ProRes recording to USB SSDsCML gets Zoom chats. But what should be discussed next Wednesday?

Adam Wilt
CML technical services
Vancouver WA USA (no, not that Vancouver, the other one)


K_Skowron
 

Hi all,

I would love to have a chat about Unions pro and cons. With the recent years changes to health insurance and what unions really provide. Do DPs, ops and others really benefit to be a member? 

Keep on shining 🤩

Kacper Skowron 
Cinematographer 
310-956-2528
www.kacperskowron.com
www.skylarkbliss.com
www.valcorian.cim

P.S. Sent on the move so please excuse any typos:) 
 

On Sep 25, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Adam Wilt <adam@...> wrote:

Michael Cieslinski gets a medal from SMPTE. The GH6 gets ProRes recording to USB SSDsCML gets Zoom chats. But what should be discussed next Wednesday?

Adam Wilt
CML technical services
Vancouver WA USA (no, not that Vancouver, the other one)


Mitch Gross
 

I don’t know if that’s appropriate for an international group such as CML. 

Mitch Gross
Prolycht Lighting
New York

On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:52 PM, K_Skowron <info@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I would love to have a chat about Unions pro and cons. With the recent years changes to health insurance and what unions really provide. Do DPs, ops and others really benefit to be a member? 

Keep on shining 🤩

Kacper Skowron 
Cinematographer 
310-956-2528
www.kacperskowron.com
www.skylarkbliss.com
www.valcorian.cim

P.S. Sent on the move so please excuse any typos:) 
 

On Sep 25, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Adam Wilt <adam@...> wrote:

Michael Cieslinski gets a medal from SMPTE. The GH6 gets ProRes recording to USB SSDsCML gets Zoom chats. But what should be discussed next Wednesday?

Adam Wilt
CML technical services
Vancouver WA USA (no, not that Vancouver, the other one)


Bob Kertesz
 

Y'know, there's an entire section here on CML for union talk (it's
usually quiet until contract negotiation time every three years). It's
[cml-union], and that would be a decent place to start a dialog about
unions pro/con.

If you post questions or comments there, it's likely current (and
retired - like me) IATSE members in the U.S. and Canada will respond. I
have no idea about union activity outside those two countries.

Just a reminder that CML is not a Faceplant group, and a certain amount
of courtesy and civility is required and expected, even for topics that
heat up.

As anyone who has been here a while knows, courtesy and civility are my
stock in trade.

-Bob

Bob Kertesz
BlueScreen LLC
Hollywood, California

Mostly Retired Engineer, Video Controller, and Live Compositor
Extraordinaire.

High quality images for almost five decades - whether you've wanted them
or not.©

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On 9/26/2022 12:52:34 PM, K_Skowron wrote:
Hi all,

I would love to have a chat about Unions pro and cons. With the recent
years changes to health insurance and what unions really provide. Do
DPs, ops and others really benefit to be a member?

Keep on shining 🤩

Kacper Skowron
Cinematographer


Mitch Gross
 

Funniest line I’ve read all month.

Mitch Gross
Prolycht Lighting
New York

On Sep 26, 2022, at 4:39 PM, Bob Kertesz <bob@...> wrote:

As anyone who has been here a while knows, courtesy and civility are my
stock in trade.


Bob Kertesz
 

Thanks. I work best with an appreciative audience.

-Bob

Bob Kertesz
BlueScreen LLC
Hollywood, California

Retired Engineer, Video Controller, and Live Compositor Extraordinaire.

High quality images for five decades - whether you've wanted them or not.©

* * * * * * * * * *


On 9/26/2022 1:44:49 PM, Mitch Gross wrote:

Funniest line I’ve read all month.

Mitch Gross
Prolycht Lighting
New York

On Sep 26, 2022, at 4:39 PM, Bob Kertesz <bob@...> wrote:

As anyone who has been here a while knows, courtesy and civility are my
stock in trade.



Brian Heller
 

Bob Kertesz wrote:

As anyone who has been here a while knows, courtesy and civility are my
stock in trade.
My exact thoughts :-)

Brian “Been here a while” Heller
IA 600 DP


Adam Wilt
 

I would love to have a chat about Unions pro and cons. 
I don’t know if that’s appropriate for an international group such as CML. 

CML may span the globe, but most of the Zoom chats are cozy convos amongst a small group of USA-resident folks. I don’t think we’ve had more than one non-US resident in a Wednesday chat since Geoff’s Farewell. 

Besides, if we announce that the topic is US unions, that warns disinterested people off in advance… or might possibly encourage someone from a civilized part of the world to join in and tell us what we’re missing here. ;-) 

Adam Wilt
CML technical services
Vancouver WA USA (no, not that Vancouver, the other one)


Mark Weingartner, ASC
 




I would love to have a chat about Unions pro and cons. 
I don’t know if that’s appropriate for an international group such as CML. 

CML may span the globe, but most of the Zoom chats are cozy convos amongst a small group of USA-resident folks. I don’t think we’ve had more than one non-US resident in a Wednesday chat since Geoff’s Farewell. 

Besides, if we announce that the topic is US unions, that warns disinterested people off in advance… or might possibly encourage someone from a civilized part of the world to join in and tell us what we’re missing here. ;-) 


This could be an interesting discussion, actually, especially if people from other lands besides the US of A joined in, since the role that unions play in our work lives varies hugely across the globe… even amongst people who are in unions in the various different places that cml members live.

That said, however, the devil is very much in the details… for instance even within IATSE Local 600 (aka International Cinematographers Guild) - of which I am currently an officer - there are nuanced differences in the benefit/cost ratio  from one region to another.

Alas I am working Wed and will probably not be able to sneak away for the zoom, but if one were to propose a zoom to talk about unions - the intersection of organized labor and craft, or organized labor and art even -  it would be interesting to compare and contrast the role of unions in countries that have nationally mandated health care of some sort vs. countries such as the USA where pension and health insurance can be a major component of union contracts.

Even between the USA and Canada, both served by the IATSE International  the role of the camera union is very different in the two countries.

I will say that with regard to more specific pros and cons for an individual looking for granularity, the cml-union group might  not be a bad place to start if it does not make sense to make this a general discussion topic for the zoom.



Mark Weingartner, ASC
Director of Photography
inclined towards Visual Effects
cml honcho

vfxmark@...


Pawel Achtel, ACS
 

Ø  Besides, if we announce that the topic is US unions, that warns disinterested people off in advance… or might possibly encourage someone from a civilized part of the world to join in and tell us what we’re missing here. ;-) 

 

Ha, ha. Most civilised people are not so much disinterested, they are simply asleep at 2 or 3 am ;-)

 

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