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Angenieux EZ1 and EZ2

Mark Utley
 

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

Thanks,
Mark Utley
DP, Toronto 
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Toronto, ON, Canada
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nacamera
 

Mark,
we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.


Bob Donnelly
North American Camera
414.765.1111

On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

Thanks,
Mark Utley
DP, Toronto 
--
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

Timur Civan
 

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:
Mark,
we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.


Bob Donnelly
North American Camera
414.765.1111

On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

Thanks,
Mark Utley
DP, Toronto 
--
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

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Timur Civan
Director of Photography 
www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

Matthew Clark
 

I did a job with a set of primes and the EZ1. The lens looked ok. Indeed not an Optimo and it cut OK with Super Speeds. I was just frustrated with the focal length. I never felt like I could get where I wanted and was more at home with a standard set of primes. You really would want to pack both the EZ1 & EZ2 at the same time. I appreciate that they built in overlap between the two lenses. That’s one thing in the Sigma’s that really bums me out. The jump for 35 to 50mm is awkward.

Matthew Clark
Director/DP
Seattle, WA

eroland@dc-camera.com
 

I love the 30-90mm, i try to take it on every job. I did some tests when it first arrived against the other Optimo’s in our inventory. Now maybe I have a very good copy but the sharpness looked on par, the contrast maybe just a hair less contrasty. The only thing that stood out as much different was the distortion of straight lines as you moved towards the edges. Everything else looked excellent. At 2.8 the lens was nearly indistinguishable from another 2.8 Optimo. At 2.0 I could see a very slight softening, but not worthy of too much concern…. not for me anyway. This has become my go-to lens for a large percentage of my work, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

Erich Roland

Clayton Moore <cmoore89@...>
 

I just spent 2 days on a short film with these lenses.   I was happy with the image from them, and the T2 is handy to have on a zoom if you need the stop, despite some slight ramping at the end of the 90mm lens.  However the workability of them is less than desirable.  

My biggest gripe was that they aren’t parfocal, and the gearing is at different lengths, so when switching between the two we would also have to wait for the AC to adjust the follow focus and lens support bracket each time.  I also had a backfocus issue once which was fixed by removing and reseating the EF lens mount.     

Clayton Moore
Cinematographer
Las Vegas, NV
702.275.1429


On Aug 10, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Timur Civan <timurcivan@...> wrote:

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:
Mark,
we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.


Bob Donnelly
North American Camera
414.765.1111

On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

Thanks,
Mark Utley
DP, Toronto 
--
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

--
Timur Civan
Director of Photography 
www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

Marcus Friedlander
 

Hey Mark,

I just wrapped a quick 2 camera indie feature, shooting exclusively on those two lenses, one living permentely on each camera for the run of the show. 

I thought they were decent, especially for the money, but they wouldn't be my first choice for future projects. Especially future 2 camera shows. 

They are definitely a hair on the softer side, which for our WW2 period peice was the right choice. But it's worth noting that they aren't THAT soft. Just not quite as sharp as Master's or proper Angie zooms. 

I still felt the need to diffuse them fairly significantly to get the look I was going for though (1/8 Black Soft Frost + Radiant Soft 1). That being said I probably wouldn't use them for any serious commercial work. Especially if there is a budget to afford proper Optimos. 

Originally, I was going to get the Optimo Style's which have a really fantastic overlap between the mid range and telephoto zoom. However, for budgetary reasons, I had to go with the cheaper EZ's. Which left me in kind of a weird spot, focal length wise. 

I was operating on the EZ-2 (15-40), and I constantly felt like I needed to be at least in the 60-75 range to not get in the way of the B-camera shot. But at the same time I rarely found my self being able to use the wider end of the lens without the B camera getting into my shot. So for most of the show, I never really felt like I had the focal length that I wanted. (Btw I know the 22-60 T2.8 version exists, but unfortunately there were certain key shots that required me to be in the 15-21 range, and @ T2. And for budget/logistic reasons, I couldn't carry a separate lens just for those shots.) 

However, if I was shooting single camera then it would not have been an issue. It was only an issue because we were shooting with 2 cameras, but only 1 set of zooms. 

But despite all of its faults, I would still pick these lenses over the Sigma Zooms because the focus breathing on the Sigma 50-100 is so bad it renders the set completely unuseable in my eyes. 

P.S. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Tokina introduces a full range of Vista Cine-Zooms that match the quality of their Vista Primes!  

P.P.S. Also just to echo what some previously posted, I also had a minor backfocus issues related to the rear element. The first time I mounted the lens to the camera in prep it was completely 100% off (like it had a huge Extension Tube on the back of the lens.) But after the tech reseated the back element, the lens it was fine. 

P.P.P.S. Oh and also the EZ-1 absolutely ramps on the long end. Angie doesn't mark it on the barrels. But it's really obvious if you just look at a waveform while zooming. 

Cheers, 

Marcus Friedlander 

Director of Photography 

Los Angeles 

"Perfection is the goal, excellence is the standard." 

On Friday, August 10, 2018, 8:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

Thanks,
Mark Utley
DP, Toronto 
--
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

Jean-Marc Bouchut
 

Timur, I’m surprise you found the EZ soft until T4. They should be pretty sharp at T4, even if they are not as crispy sharp as other zooms like our Optimo series.

Dante Spinotti used them with a combination of DNA primes on Alexa 65 for Ant-Man.

I’m not sure where you are based. You may want to contact your Angenieux representative to have them checked.

 

Jean-Marc Bouchut

Angenieux US

Piscataway, NJ

973-812-4083

 

From: cml-glass@... [mailto:cml-glass@...] On Behalf Of Timur Civan
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:20 PM
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [cml-glass] Angenieux EZ1 and EZ2

 

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:

Mark,

we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.

 

 

Bob Donnelly

North American Camera

414.765.1111



On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

 

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

 

Thanks,

Mark Utley

DP, Toronto 

--

Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

 

--

Timur Civan
Director of Photography 

www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

Timur Civan
 

Hi Jean Marc, 

I will give the benefit of the doubt.  They may have been out of specifications.  I will try them again one day.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jean-Marc Bouchut <jbouchut@...> wrote:

Timur, I’m surprise you found the EZ soft until T4. They should be pretty sharp at T4, even if they are not as crispy sharp as other zooms like our Optimo series.

Dante Spinotti used them with a combination of DNA primes on Alexa 65 for Ant-Man.

I’m not sure where you are based. You may want to contact your Angenieux representative to have them checked.

 

Jean-Marc Bouchut

Angenieux US

Piscataway, NJ

973-812-4083

 

From: cml-glass@... [mailto:cml-glass@...] On Behalf Of Timur Civan
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:20 PM
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [cml-glass] Angenieux EZ1 and EZ2

 

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:

Mark,

we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.

 

 

Bob Donnelly

North American Camera

414.765.1111



On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

 

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

 

Thanks,

Mark Utley

DP, Toronto 

--

Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

 

--

Timur Civan
Director of Photography 

www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

--
Timur Civan
Director of Photography 
www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

Mark Utley
 

Greetings, CML. I finally had a chance to demo the EZ2 (the EZ1 was unavailable but I’m curious to try it, too). 

In spite some of the mixed reviews I’ve read, I actually found the lens quite lovely. I’ve been pretty tired of standard speed T2.8 lenses so the shallower depth of field that T2 brings even at wider focal lengths was most welcome. 

I was also demoing the Tilta Nucleus and walked around doing some (shaky) handheld while playing with the servo zoom and focus. I recorded a little demo clip that is completely unscientific and very underwhelming if you’re used to Geoff’s tests. :)

The clip is T2 the whole time, moving between 15mm, 40mm and somewhere in between. Quick grade in Resolve. 

Looking forward to trying out the EZ1. 

Mark Utley
DP, Toronto


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:12 AM Timur Civan <timurcivan@...> wrote:
Hi Jean Marc, 

I will give the benefit of the doubt.  They may have been out of specifications.  I will try them again one day.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jean-Marc Bouchut <jbouchut@...> wrote:

Timur, I’m surprise you found the EZ soft until T4. They should be pretty sharp at T4, even if they are not as crispy sharp as other zooms like our Optimo series.

Dante Spinotti used them with a combination of DNA primes on Alexa 65 for Ant-Man.

I’m not sure where you are based. You may want to contact your Angenieux representative to have them checked.

 

Jean-Marc Bouchut

Angenieux US

Piscataway, NJ

973-812-4083

 

From: cml-glass@... [mailto:cml-glass@...] On Behalf Of Timur Civan
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:20 PM
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [cml-glass] Angenieux EZ1 and EZ2

 

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:

Mark,

we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.

 

 

Bob Donnelly

North American Camera

414.765.1111



On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

 

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

 

Thanks,

Mark Utley

DP, Toronto 

--

Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

 

--

Timur Civan
Director of Photography 

www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

--
Timur Civan
Director of Photography 
www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424

--
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone

Ross Thomas
 

I co-own the EZ1 and 2 and have been shooting with them extensively over the past few months. We brought them on an international travel show in August, and I’ve gotten to know them fairly well. 

Their look seems typical of what you’d expect from an Angeniuex lens, although it has less character from what I can tell compared to some of its beefier brothers and sisters. To me the Optimos are quite filmic, with a unique contrast and color rendition. I would backhandedly compliment the EZ’s here- they’re not quite as characteristic as the Optimo line, the contrast and color aren’t quite as filmic, but honestly that’s ok. They play well when paired with other zooms and primes, and are functionally non-specific. They’re not not filmic, but you’re not going to hear a DP waxing poetic over its look and demanding this lens because of how it makes a main character pop on screen. No one is going to refer to the “EZ look”. Yes, you’ve lost some image characteristics you might really like when pixel peeping from your lounge chair, but you also just went from 24 pounds to 5, and can swing this thing around like it’s a bigger PL. It’s not any more difficult to slang than a Cooke but you don’t have switch lenses in the backseat with an AC hiding in the trunk with a Pelican of primes.

On the Helium sensor the 14-40 shows unusable vignette until stopped down to just under 16. Past that through 18/19 there is some barrel distortion and pleasant vignetting, after that there is minimal distortion up to 90. I am bummed that the 14-40 is effectively a 16-40, but if you shoot 7k on Helium for true 35mm sensor coverage it goes away. It also crops in on your 14 frame so it’s pretty same same. I haven’t used this on a mini yet so I can’t speak to coverage there, but I’m assuming full coverage because of the sensor size. Someone with better street cred can correct me here, I’m not a long lost Duclos brother.

Functionality are why these lenses are so addictive to work with. The build quality is solid yet lightweight, smooth and robust. I’ve started leaning on the production style these lenses offer, as they let you move through setups so quickly without requiring significant lens support. The lens mount swap is about as difficult as opening a water bottle. There’s no shimming or collimation although the focal rings go just past infinity and I’m assuming that’s to protect against slight variances. I’m making that up but it sounds good right? I haven’t done the full frame swap yet- but I hear it’s more of a bear and does requiring shimming.

This past month we were shooting three separate short docs, two camera (both helium sensors) with a Steadicam. Both lenses fit with support and some room to spare in a 1510 carry on. The 14-40 lived on the Steadicam, and I never found a reason to take it off. I rented a Master Prime Macro locally, and we shot the entire series on these three lenses. Yes it cuts with a Master prime, no one notices or cares when I cut from T2 28mm Angeniuex to T2 100 mm MP.

These lenses fade into the background on set, which is the real reason why I love and use them. You barely have to swap them, the AC won’t be complaining about them, they’re not too heavy for handheld and don’t require a 19mm studio build for support, they’re not too soft wide open, the bokeh is nice and non-descript, and they’re fast enough to shoot into the evening. They do exactly what they say their going to do and do it exceedingly well. They get out of your way. 

I’d be happy to share some .R3D’s with you if you want to check out these lenses in the wild, check out the barrel distortion, etc.

-Ross


On Sep 6, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

Greetings, CML. I finally had a chance to demo the EZ2 (the EZ1 was unavailable but I’m curious to try it, too). 

In spite some of the mixed reviews I’ve read, I actually found the lens quite lovely. I’ve been pretty tired of standard speed T2.8 lenses so the shallower depth of field that T2 brings even at wider focal lengths was most welcome. 

I was also demoing the Tilta Nucleus and walked around doing some (shaky) handheld while playing with the servo zoom and focus. I recorded a little demo clip that is completely unscientific and very underwhelming if you’re used to Geoff’s tests. :)

The clip is T2 the whole time, moving between 15mm, 40mm and somewhere in between. Quick grade in Resolve. 

Looking forward to trying out the EZ1. 

Mark Utley
DP, Toronto


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:12 AM Timur Civan <timurcivan@...> wrote:
Hi Jean Marc, 

I will give the benefit of the doubt.  They may have been out of specifications.  I will try them again one day.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jean-Marc Bouchut <jbouchut@...> wrote:

Timur, I’m surprise you found the EZ soft until T4. They should be pretty sharp at T4, even if they are not as crispy sharp as other zooms like our Optimo series.

Dante Spinotti used them with a combination of DNA primes on Alexa 65 for Ant-Man.

I’m not sure where you are based. You may want to contact your Angenieux representative to have them checked.

 

Jean-Marc Bouchut

Angenieux US

Piscataway, NJ

973-812-4083

 

From: cml-glass@... [mailto:cml-glass@...] On Behalf Of Timur Civan
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:20 PM
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [cml-glass] Angenieux EZ1 and EZ2

 

I used them on a commercial couple months ago.  I found them unacceptably soft till T4. 

 

I may have had bad copies.  But I did not like them one bit for the commercial. 

 

The softness would be great for narrative however.   Just didn’t work for my purposes. That said I’m coming from sigma primes and Masters as my go to lenses.   I like em sharp. 

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM nacamera <bob@...> wrote:

Mark,

we have one of each (among the first here in the Midwest) and they are quite popular with our rental clientele. From an ownership standpoint it’s like owning 8 lenses in 2 with the very easy conversion between EF and PL mounts, as well as the relatively easy switch over from S35 to FF/VV. Are they Optimos? No, but for the client on a budget they offer a tremendous amount of bang for the buck.

 

 

Bob Donnelly

North American Camera

414.765.1111



On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Mark Utley <markutley@...> wrote:

 

Hey CML, I’m curious if anyone has been using the Angenieux EZ1 30-90 and EZ2 15-40 T2 zooms. There’s surprisingly little footage online. I thought there’d be more interest in them but maybe the Sigma zooms took the wind out of their sails. 

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with the Angenieux EZ zooms?

 

Thanks,

Mark Utley

DP, Toronto 

-- 

Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone 

 

-- 

Timur Civan
Director of Photography 

www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424



-- 
Timur Civan
Director of Photography 
www.timurcivan.com
917-589-4424


-- 
Mark Utley
Toronto, ON, Canada
(416) 930-6640
Sent from my phone 

Matthew Clark
 

OK, in earlier posts, I was less than supportive of the Ang EZ1 & EZ2.   But, I have to admit, I was under informed and partially blinded by other options, like the Sigma zooms.  Well, I spent four days with the lenses last week.  I paired them, in EF mount, to an Amira shooting 1920x1080.  I chose to go EF because I needed a couple long lenses that were easier (and cheaper) to source than comparable PL versions.  EF on the Amira, BTW, is great option and worked really well for us.  The EF Mount is robust, but that locking ring, if it isn’t closed snugly, will allow the lens to swim a bit in the mount.  

The lenses have some attractive features like mount swapping and the option to go FF with changing out the rear optical block.  Seems like a great option.  The one small item that drove us crazy, a little, was the fact that the lenses don’t align their focus rings to match.  My assistant had to mess with the position of the Follow Focus every time we swapped between the two lenses.  Minor, but kind of annoying.

Weight was pleasant since I did a mix of hand-held, cradling, sticks and generally handling the camera a lot.  We used PAG batteries so overall weight wasn’t much of an issue.  

Optically, I was pleased.  I think the first thing that I was aware of on a practical level is the overlap of focal lengths.  When thinking about the Sigma zooms, their lack of overlap drives me nuts.  They jump from 35mm to 50mm (18-35mm & 50-100mm). That is a drag.  If I’m carrying a set of primes, I love to have at least a 40 between 32 and 50mm.  On the zooms, it seems there’s no good reason NOT to have the overlap.  

On the wide end, I did feel the distortion, especially at 15mm but that went away around 22-25mm maybe even a bit wider.  While that distortion isn’t always a good thing, I didn’t feel like it was an issue with the kinds of things I was shooting.  Flaring was handled pretty well and when the source was in shot or very near the edge of frame, I felt generally it was a pleasant flare - not harsh or distracting.  Compared to CNE Primes, for instance, they have some favorable personality with flares where the CNE Primes have little to none and really don’t flare much except for flares from big broad sources in my experience.

In both the EZ1 & 2 the close focus was a great feature.  Indicated at 2’ (0.6m) on both, it felt like we could practically get to 17 or 18 inches before being inside minimum.  I had brought along a set of close-up diopters but never pulled them out because I could get the close-ups I liked.  We were moving pretty fast so not adding more stuff on was a good thing.  Shooting with the Sigma zooms I felt like I was always wanting more minimum focus especially on the 50-100mm and always needing those diopters.

Build quality is super nice and solid.  (The set I used was sub-rented from VideoFax in San Francisco, because the set locally at Koerner Camera was out.  They were well cared for and probably have low hours on them.)  Long story short, the focus, zoom and aperture rings all moved nicely, smooth and silky.  I only had manual follow focus (FF-5) on, no motors or wireless motors going.  I can’t comment on how those items interface with these lenses, but I’m sure they’d go without a hitch.  We did have to shim the lenses to get marks to line up properly.  Our rental house used the 24-290mm shims and they worked perfect.  

These lenses seem like they’d match well with something like Ultra Primes.  Besides matching T-stops, the personality and look reminded me of the UPs.  

Ross, you mention that they aren’t “filmic.”  I’m not sure what you mean exactly, but I didn’t feel like they were “un-filmic” if that’s even a thing.  Yeah, there aren’t any odd anomalies that we might fall in love with like with Super Baltars or Super Speeds.  Yeah, focus is even across the whole image with little very little light fall off on the edges (in S35 mode).  But I wouldn’t call them clinical either.  I guess that’s why I aligned them with Ultra Primes.  I’d be curious to hear more from you about your thoughts on look and “filmic."

Bottom line, these are work horse lenses that are built well, look good and will find themselves going out regularly.  Yes, they may not have the character of the Optimo series of lenses, but for the price, that is no surprise.  These would benefit from an uncoated front element.  I think that’d be a cool option if it were a swappable part and option.  That would bring some interesting personality to the two.  

Yeah, I’d rent them again if the right job presented itself.

Matthew Clark
Director/DP
Seattle, WA

Timur Civan
 

this was shot on EZ:  

they look great on people. They aren’t great for Product. Not sharp enough.   I found them soft, but after a 8k to 2k finish they seemed crisp enough. 

Glad you liked them Matt.   The focus gears not lining up is sucky.   But considering the cost, they have their place. 

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:21 PM Matthew Clark via Cml.News <str8films1=me.com@...> wrote:
OK, in earlier posts, I was less than supportive of the Ang EZ1 & EZ2.   But, I have to admit, I was under informed and partially blinded by other options, like the Sigma zooms.  Well, I spent four days with the lenses last week.  I paired them, in EF mount, to an Amira shooting 1920x1080.  I chose to go EF because I needed a couple long lenses that were easier (and cheaper) to source than comparable PL versions.  EF on the Amira, BTW, is great option and worked really well for us.  The EF Mount is robust, but that locking ring, if it isn’t closed snugly, will allow the lens to swim a bit in the mount.  

The lenses have some attractive features like mount swapping and the option to go FF with changing out the rear optical block.  Seems like a great option.  The one small item that drove us crazy, a little, was the fact that the lenses don’t align their focus rings to match.  My assistant had to mess with the position of the Follow Focus every time we swapped between the two lenses.  Minor, but kind of annoying.

Weight was pleasant since I did a mix of hand-held, cradling, sticks and generally handling the camera a lot.  We used PAG batteries so overall weight wasn’t much of an issue.  

Optically, I was pleased.  I think the first thing that I was aware of on a practical level is the overlap of focal lengths.  When thinking about the Sigma zooms, their lack of overlap drives me nuts.  They jump from 35mm to 50mm (18-35mm & 50-100mm). That is a drag.  If I’m carrying a set of primes, I love to have at least a 40 between 32 and 50mm.  On the zooms, it seems there’s no good reason NOT to have the overlap.  

On the wide end, I did feel the distortion, especially at 15mm but that went away around 22-25mm maybe even a bit wider.  While that distortion isn’t always a good thing, I didn’t feel like it was an issue with the kinds of things I was shooting.  Flaring was handled pretty well and when the source was in shot or very near the edge of frame, I felt generally it was a pleasant flare - not harsh or distracting.  Compared to CNE Primes, for instance, they have some favorable personality with flares where the CNE Primes have little to none and really don’t flare much except for flares from big broad sources in my experience.

In both the EZ1 & 2 the close focus was a great feature.  Indicated at 2’ (0.6m) on both, it felt like we could practically get to 17 or 18 inches before being inside minimum.  I had brought along a set of close-up diopters but never pulled them out because I could get the close-ups I liked.  We were moving pretty fast so not adding more stuff on was a good thing.  Shooting with the Sigma zooms I felt like I was always wanting more minimum focus especially on the 50-100mm and always needing those diopters.

Build quality is super nice and solid.  (The set I used was sub-rented from VideoFax in San Francisco, because the set locally at Koerner Camera was out.  They were well cared for and probably have low hours on them.)  Long story short, the focus, zoom and aperture rings all moved nicely, smooth and silky.  I only had manual follow focus (FF-5) on, no motors or wireless motors going.  I can’t comment on how those items interface with these lenses, but I’m sure they’d go without a hitch.  We did have to shim the lenses to get marks to line up properly.  Our rental house used the 24-290mm shims and they worked perfect.  

These lenses seem like they’d match well with something like Ultra Primes.  Besides matching T-stops, the personality and look reminded me of the UPs.  

Ross, you mention that they aren’t “filmic.”  I’m not sure what you mean exactly, but I didn’t feel like they were “un-filmic” if that’s even a thing.  Yeah, there aren’t any odd anomalies that we might fall in love with like with Super Baltars or Super Speeds.  Yeah, focus is even across the whole image with little very little light fall off on the edges (in S35 mode).  But I wouldn’t call them clinical either.  I guess that’s why I aligned them with Ultra Primes.  I’d be curious to hear more from you about your thoughts on look and “filmic."

Bottom line, these are work horse lenses that are built well, look good and will find themselves going out regularly.  Yes, they may not have the character of the Optimo series of lenses, but for the price, that is no surprise.  These would benefit from an uncoated front element.  I think that’d be a cool option if it were a swappable part and option.  That would bring some interesting personality to the two.  

Yeah, I’d rent them again if the right job presented itself.

Matthew Clark
Director/DP
Seattle, WA

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Matthew Clark
 

Timur wrote:

they look great on people. They aren’t great for Product. Not sharp enough.   I found them soft, but after a 8k to 2k finish they seemed crisp enough. 

Looking forward to checking out that link.  Thanks for sharing Timur.  Yes, good on faces and natural stuff.  I could see product issues, but stoping down seemed to make them “good.”  Hard to quantify of course but I wasn’t scared off by their pleasing ability to get nice people stuff.  Here’s a couple screen grabs to show the contrasts of what I was shooting.  Cost benefit analysis seems to plant these squarely in an owner operator world, I think.

Matthew Clark
Director/DP
Seattle, WA


eroland@dc-camera.com
 

Ive commented before on the EZ-1 and I want this lens on every job. Very usable focal range for a large percentage of shots. Good size and weight, solid build. I think its as sharp as the other compact Optimo’s, or mine is anyway.  And best feature of all the ability to open to 2.0 stop. Its an excellent lens all around. The only issue Ive seen in testing on the projector is some slight distortion that is rarely ever a problem for my work.
 
Erich Roland

On Sep 10, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Matthew Clark via Cml.News <str8films1=me.com@...> wrote:

OK, in earlier posts, I was less than supportive of the Ang EZ1 & EZ2.   But, I have to admit, I was under informed and partially blinded by other options, like the Sigma zooms.  Well, I spent four days with the lenses last week.  I paired them, in EF mount, to an Amira shooting 1920x1080.  I chose to go EF because I needed a couple long lenses that were easier (and cheaper) to source than comparable PL versions.  EF on the Amira, BTW, is great option and worked really well for us.  The EF Mount is robust, but that locking ring, if it isn’t closed snugly, will allow the lens to swim a bit in the mount.  

The lenses have some attractive features like mount swapping and the option to go FF with changing out the rear optical block.  Seems like a great option.  The one small item that drove us crazy, a little, was the fact that the lenses don’t align their focus rings to match.  My assistant had to mess with the position of the Follow Focus every time we swapped between the two lenses.  Minor, but kind of annoying.

Weight was pleasant since I did a mix of hand-held, cradling, sticks and generally handling the camera a lot.  We used PAG batteries so overall weight wasn’t much of an issue.  

Optically, I was pleased.  I think the first thing that I was aware of on a practical level is the overlap of focal lengths.  When thinking about the Sigma zooms, their lack of overlap drives me nuts.  They jump from 35mm to 50mm (18-35mm & 50-100mm). That is a drag.  If I’m carrying a set of primes, I love to have at least a 40 between 32 and 50mm.  On the zooms, it seems there’s no good reason NOT to have the overlap.  

On the wide end, I did feel the distortion, especially at 15mm but that went away around 22-25mm maybe even a bit wider.  While that distortion isn’t always a good thing, I didn’t feel like it was an issue with the kinds of things I was shooting.  Flaring was handled pretty well and when the source was in shot or very near the edge of frame, I felt generally it was a pleasant flare - not harsh or distracting.  Compared to CNE Primes, for instance, they have some favorable personality with flares where the CNE Primes have little to none and really don’t flare much except for flares from big broad sources in my experience.

In both the EZ1 & 2 the close focus was a great feature.  Indicated at 2’ (0.6m) on both, it felt like we could practically get to 17 or 18 inches before being inside minimum.  I had brought along a set of close-up diopters but never pulled them out because I could get the close-ups I liked.  We were moving pretty fast so not adding more stuff on was a good thing.  Shooting with the Sigma zooms I felt like I was always wanting more minimum focus especially on the 50-100mm and always needing those diopters.

Build quality is super nice and solid.  (The set I used was sub-rented from VideoFax in San Francisco, because the set locally at Koerner Camera was out.  They were well cared for and probably have low hours on them.)  Long story short, the focus, zoom and aperture rings all moved nicely, smooth and silky.  I only had manual follow focus (FF-5) on, no motors or wireless motors going.  I can’t comment on how those items interface with these lenses, but I’m sure they’d go without a hitch.  We did have to shim the lenses to get marks to line up properly.  Our rental house used the 24-290mm shims and they worked perfect.  

These lenses seem like they’d match well with something like Ultra Primes.  Besides matching T-stops, the personality and look reminded me of the UPs.  

Ross, you mention that they aren’t “filmic.”  I’m not sure what you mean exactly, but I didn’t feel like they were “un-filmic” if that’s even a thing.  Yeah, there aren’t any odd anomalies that we might fall in love with like with Super Baltars or Super Speeds.  Yeah, focus is even across the whole image with little very little light fall off on the edges (in S35 mode).  But I wouldn’t call them clinical either.  I guess that’s why I aligned them with Ultra Primes.  I’d be curious to hear more from you about your thoughts on look and “filmic."

Bottom line, these are work horse lenses that are built well, look good and will find themselves going out regularly.  Yes, they may not have the character of the Optimo series of lenses, but for the price, that is no surprise.  These would benefit from an uncoated front element.  I think that’d be a cool option if it were a swappable part and option.  That would bring some interesting personality to the two.  

Yeah, I’d rent them again if the right job presented itself.

Matthew Clark
Director/DP
Seattle, WA

Ross Thomas
 

Ha- I do believe I said they’re not NOT filmic. I totally agree with you, I don’t find them clinical at all. They would also not be my first choice for product or vehicles. I think the Ultra Primes are a great comparison.



Ross, you mention that they aren’t “filmic.”  I’m not sure what you mean exactly, but I didn’t feel like they were “un-filmic” if that’s even a thing.  Yeah, there aren’t any odd anomalies that we might fall in love with like with Super Baltars or Super Speeds.  Yeah, focus is even across the whole image with little very little light fall off on the edges (in S35 mode).  But I wouldn’t call them clinical either.  I guess that’s why I aligned them with Ultra Primes.  I’d be curious to hear more from you about your thoughts on look and “filmic."

hansbobanovits@...
 

Hello everyone,

To follow up on the EZ-1 (30-90mm PL S35) thread. I just wrapped a 4 days web-commercial in the countryside of Japan with it. I loved the look during the shoot, super easy to work with, sturdy and so on. I was checking the footage with the director during the first cut, and we discovered something weird.

I believe it might be an optical aberration, but I've never seen any lens do something like that before. As you can see on both pictures, there's a fine line over the top of the hand on each frame. On Frame #1 (Day), you can clearly see it on the arm and on the top edge of her Index. On Frame #2 (Dusk), you can feel it on the top part of the kimono and the top part as well. It's nothing too jarring when in motion, but it still give a weird effect.

It feels like a weird 3D edge-line effect. I have shot with the Angenieux Optimo DP set before, and I don't recall seeing an edge like that. The whole shoot was at 5K 60fps on Epic Dragon. Anyone has seen this before? Maybe it's something quite normal on a lens and I've never paid attention before that.

I would still shoot with those lenses again, but I would like to hear the feedbacks from people with more experience than me.

Best,
Hans Bobànovits / Cinematographer
Tokyo (Japan)


MARK FOERSTER
 

I would still shoot with those lenses again


Wow that is weird and not exactly acceptable. Hmm, its looking like chromatic aberration from the lens as it’s a transition line between light and dark. (Top of hand into sky and the bokeh circle and hand again) I’m surprised the thicker wheatgrass  doesn’t do it too.  Usually it’s accompanied with green/magenta hues. Maybe the detail/coring on the camera was dialled up high? I only ask because it looks like sharpening maxed out or pixel size larger than it should be. 
That’s why it’s affecting a large object edge and not the finer ones..

Mark Foerster csc
Toronto
905 922 5555  

Derek wiesehahn
 

Are those stills directly from the source files? 
It looks like digital artifacting, if it was chromatic aberration there would be color in those lines. 

Derek Wiesehahn
DP NYC


On Oct 24, 2018, at 9:31 AM, hansbobanovits@... wrote:

Hello everyone,

To follow up on the EZ-1 (30-90mm PL S35) thread. I just wrapped a 4 days web-commercial in the countryside of Japan with it. I loved the look during the shoot, super easy to work with, sturdy and so on. I was checking the footage with the director during the first cut, and we discovered something weird.

I believe it might be an optical aberration, but I've never seen any lens do something like that before. As you can see on both pictures, there's a fine line over the top of the hand on each frame. On Frame #1 (Day), you can clearly see it on the arm and on the top edge of her Index. On Frame #2 (Dusk), you can feel it on the top part of the kimono and the top part as well. It's nothing too jarring when in motion, but it still give a weird effect.

It feels like a weird 3D edge-line effect. I have shot with the Angenieux Optimo DP set before, and I don't recall seeing an edge like that. The whole shoot was at 5K 60fps on Epic Dragon. Anyone has seen this before? Maybe it's something quite normal on a lens and I've never paid attention before that.

I would still shoot with those lenses again, but I would like to hear the feedbacks from people with more experience than me.

Best,
Hans Bobànovits / Cinematographer
Tokyo (Japan)


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Alex Metcalfe DoP
 

Are those stills directly from the source files? It looks like digital artifacting, if it was chromatic aberration there would be color in those lines

I agree, did you use any other lenses or was everything shot on the zooms? If not can you test the camera body with a prime lens now?

Alex Metcalfe
DoP EU


On 24/10/2018 16:53, Derek wiesehahn wrote:
Are those stills directly from the source files? 
It looks like digital artifacting, if it was chromatic aberration there would be color in those lines. 

Derek Wiesehahn
DP NYC


On Oct 24, 2018, at 9:31 AM, hansbobanovits@... wrote:

Hello everyone,

To follow up on the EZ-1 (30-90mm PL S35) thread. I just wrapped a 4 days web-commercial in the countryside of Japan with it. I loved the look during the shoot, super easy to work with, sturdy and so on. I was checking the footage with the director during the first cut, and we discovered something weird.

I believe it might be an optical aberration, but I've never seen any lens do something like that before. As you can see on both pictures, there's a fine line over the top of the hand on each frame. On Frame #1 (Day), you can clearly see it on the arm and on the top edge of her Index. On Frame #2 (Dusk), you can feel it on the top part of the kimono and the top part as well. It's nothing too jarring when in motion, but it still give a weird effect.

It feels like a weird 3D edge-line effect. I have shot with the Angenieux Optimo DP set before, and I don't recall seeing an edge like that. The whole shoot was at 5K 60fps on Epic Dragon. Anyone has seen this before? Maybe it's something quite normal on a lens and I've never paid attention before that.

I would still shoot with those lenses again, but I would like to hear the feedbacks from people with more experience than me.

Best,
Hans Bobànovits / Cinematographer
Tokyo (Japan)


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