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Comparison of Spherical and Anamorphic at various Sensor Sizes #poll

Geoff Boyle
 

I did some tests using a Sony Venice if Full Frame, S35 4perf and 335 3perf modes.
I  used a variety of lenses both Spherical and Anamorphic.
Please vote for your favourite.
I will reveal which is shot on what format/lens combination in a while :-)

https://www.cinematography.net/lens-format-mix.html

Results

sid firstframe.com
 

and this is exactly the reason why you have have me as a loyal follower. Thank you for all the hard work you do in making me better at what I do.  Besides, I love guessing games. 

- Sid

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On Mar 22, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Geoff Boyle <geoff@...> wrote:

A new poll has been created:

I did some tests using a Sony Venice if Full Frame, S35 4perf and 335 3perf modes.
I  used a variety of lenses both Spherical and Anamorphic.
Please vote for your favourite.
I will reveal which is shot on what format/lens combination in a while :-)

https://www.cinematography.net/lens-format-mix.html

1. Option-c
2. Option-y
3. Option-q
4. Option-m
5. Option-g
6. Option-1
7. Option-v

Vote Now

Mark Kenfield
 

Very interesting Geoff! Just voted.

For a portrait, I think Option-v is my favourite. I'll put up with the fringing behind your hair, the iffy edges and the somewhat obnoxious breathing, for how well it draws the eye to the subject.

Option-G I'm guessing is using the full Vistavision sensor, it seems to blow everything else out of the water for sheer visual quality.

Interestingly, I think (of the spherical options) I prefer Option-Q. Though I can't tell if that's because of the slightly softer rendering (compared to G), or the slightly yellower skintones.



Cheers,

Mark Kenfield
Cinematographer
Melbourne

0400 044 500

On 22 March 2018 at 22:35, Geoff Boyle <geoff@...> wrote:

A new poll has been created:

I did some tests using a Sony Venice if Full Frame, S35 4perf and 335 3perf modes.
I  used a variety of lenses both Spherical and Anamorphic.
Please vote for your favourite.
I will reveal which is shot on what format/lens combination in a while :-)

https://www.cinematography.net/lens-format-mix.html

1. Option-c
2. Option-y
3. Option-q
4. Option-m
5. Option-g
6. Option-1
7. Option-v

Vote Now

 

The winner is V for me......for the beautiful out of focus quality behind the person on the left and the overall 'flavour' of the image....I don't care about the chromatic aberration, edge quality dip of the lens when focused on Mr. Boyle

G is the most 'photorealistic' and 'perfect' image overall......but too perfect......too 4k TV display look how sharp I am on TV shop perfect

Stephen Perera | Designer/Photographer | Gibraltar | +34 667661936

Roni Beraha
 

Option g, leica?


Roni Beraha
Focuspuller
Istanbul

Matthew Duclos
 

I love this sort of test. Thank you Geoff! 
It takes away the brand loyalty and preconceived notions and give truthful, honest results. 
Voted! I also assume that one of these tests was with the Fujinon Premier zoom using my 1.7x Expander to cover the Venice... yes?

--
Matthew Duclos
Lens Tech/Geek
Chatsworth, CA

Geoff Boyle
 

Matthew, you know I’m not telling anyone what the lenses/sensors are for at least a week 😊

 

I want to get unbiased results in.

 

Last time I did this the results were a shock.

 

Of all the lenses in the flare test the Mini S4’s won by a huge margin with the Canon 17-120 in second place. Interesting what people pick when they don’t know what they’re looking at!

My favourite email response from those tests was “how can I know what to vote for if I don’t know what it is? “

 

Cheers

 

Geoff Boyle NSC FBKS

Cinematographer

Zoetermeer

www.gboyle.co.uk

+31 (0) 637 155 076

 

From: cml-glass@... <cml-glass@...> On Behalf Of Matthew Duclos
Sent: 22 March 2018 15:25
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [glass] Comparison of Spherical and Anamorphic at various Sensor Sizes #poll

 

I love this sort of test. Thank you Geoff! 
It takes away the brand loyalty and preconceived notions and give truthful, honest results. 
Voted! I also assume that one of these tests was with the Fujinon Premier zoom using my 1.7x Expander to cover the Venice... yes?

--
Matthew Duclos
Lens Tech/Geek
Chatsworth, CA

Paul Curtis
 

On 22 Mar 2018, at 11:35, Geoff Boyle <geoff@...> wrote:
A new poll has been created:

I'll play.

I prefer G, and i think 1 might be the same lens brand, different sensor size. It just feels the best to me and as suggested previous could be Leica, but look forward to finding out see if i'm shocked.

Same for V and Y, which is some kind of vintage anamorphic perhaps on different sensor sizes.

The others are okay, i don't think there's anything in the test that would throw up lens issues like CA and so on.

This is off vimeo, just noticed they can be downloaded so will take a look then

cheers
Paul

Paul Curtis, VFX & Post | Canterbury, UK

Geoff Boyle
 

You can download 4K DNX 444

 

Cheers

 

Geoff Boyle NSC FBKS

Cinematographer

Zoetermeer

www.gboyle.co.uk

+31 (0) 637 155 076

 

From: cml-glass@... <cml-glass@...> On Behalf Of Paul Curtis
Sent: 22 March 2018 18:08
To: cml-glass@...
Subject: Re: [glass] Comparison of Spherical and Anamorphic at various Sensor Sizes #poll

 

On 22 Mar 2018, at 11:35, Geoff Boyle <geoff@...> wrote:
A new poll has been created:


I'll play.

I prefer G, and i think 1 might be the same lens brand, different sensor size. It just feels the best to me and as suggested previous could be Leica, but look forward to finding out see if i'm shocked.

Same for V and Y, which is some kind of vintage anamorphic perhaps on different sensor sizes.

The others are okay, i don't think there's anything in the test that would throw up lens issues like CA and so on.

This is off vimeo, just noticed they can be downloaded so will take a look then

cheers
Paul

Paul Curtis, VFX & Post | Canterbury, UK

Mike Thomas
 

I'm an optical designer not a cinematographer.    But if I WAS a cinematographer I think I would really hate breathing.   To my non-cinematic eye, that feature is VERY distracting.

Agustín Calderón AMC
 

Thanks Geoff! 

Very interesting test.  I voted V.  Second best G.  It has a "Je ne sais  quoi" which I find very pleasing.

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Feli di Giorgio
 

Hmmm...

1. Option-c Nice. Vista Vision?

2. Option-y anamorphic? Older lenses

3. Option-q Leaves me cold. Flat 

4. Option-m Leaves me cold. Flat


5. Option-g very nice. I think this is my choice


6. Option-1 interesting

7. Option-v anamorphic? Newer lenses?


Feli di Giorgio


VFX / Bay Area
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On Mar 22, 2018, at 4:35 AM, Geoff Boyle <geoff@...> wrote:

A new poll has been created:

I did some tests using a Sony Venice if Full Frame, S35 4perf and 335 3perf modes.
I  used a variety of lenses both Spherical and Anamorphic.
Please vote for your favourite.
I will reveal which is shot on what format/lens combination in a while :-)

https://www.cinematography.net/lens-format-mix.html

1. Option-c
2. Option-y
3. Option-q
4. Option-m
5. Option-g
6. Option-1
7. Option-v

Vote Now

Geoff Boyle
 

Ladies & Gentlemen,

 

Please use the poll facility to vote. If this works well I’ll be looking at other polls to enable us to get a clear view to manufacturers.

 

https://cml.news/g/cml-glass/topic/comparison_of_spherical_and/16049057?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,16049057

 

The more people who vote the more influential the result.

 

This is an anonymous voting system, you can see what you voted for but nobody else can.

I have turned off the facility to record who voted for what and the numbers are totally anonymous.

 

Cheers

 

Geoff Boyle NSC FBKS

Cinematographer

Zoetermeer

www.gboyle.co.uk

+31 (0) 637 155 076

 

 

Steven Gruen
 

Fantastic idea Geoff. I look at stills lens comparisons all the time. And its often hard defining what you like and don't like when the brand gets in the way. I took my time looking at these and doing frame grabs to be able to go back and forth quickly between lenses.

Overall, hands down winner for me are the L (or 1 I think in your poll). They have the same softness of contrast as the G and very fine tonal rendition (micro-contrast), characteristics I really like. But L has a much shallower depth of field and very even, creamy bokeh.

Next up come G & Q which are very close to each other but the Q have a bit more contrast than the G. The G seem to have better micro-contrast and thus a smoother tonal rendition especially in the darker colors. Things don't muddy up as quickly in the G. And G seem surprisingly to be a bit sharper despite their "lack" of contrast. So I pick G over Q.

So those are my top picks: L then G then Q.

A great big thank you for shooting these and serving them up.

Steven Gruen
Lighting/Operating Camera/Directing
Paris, France

RICK SIEGEL
 

Geoff,
Thank you for the incredible work you do that creates our community and informs us at the same time. I voted and look forward to the results.
Cheers,
Rick Siegel / DoP / NYC

Steve Oakley
 

good test, but maybe there are a couple questions here :

favorite

most likely to use on your next job

least likely to use on ANY job

and the reason is simple enough : while the vintage looking lens combo might be a favorite, how likely are you to use that on a paying job where the requirement / expectations might be considerably different. 

Steve Oakley

DP / Editor / Colorist / VFX Artist

Madison & Milwaukee WI

920 544 2230

 

Geoff Boyle
 

C'mon, keep those votes coming in!

Only 48 votes required until I publish the results :-)

Geoff

Danys BRUYERE
 

Oddly, I voted for option M, but then again, I don't think there have been any "real" movies since Citizen Kane... :-)
I think that my vote would likely have gone in different directions was the scene designed differently. As nothing much is going on, you want to read into the scene a little deeper. But maybe I haven't had enough coffee...
Good work from the two dashing stand-ins!

Danys BRUYERE
TSF, Paris

rafa
 

47!


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 12:34 Danys BRUYERE <danys@...> wrote:
Oddly, I voted for option M, but then again, I don't think there have been any "real" movies since Citizen Kane... :-)
I think that my vote would likely have gone in different directions was the scene designed differently. As nothing much is going on, you want to read into the scene a little deeper. But maybe I haven't had enough coffee...
Good work from the two dashing stand-ins!

Danys BRUYERE
TSF, Paris

MARK FOERSTER
 

A big thank you for this!

Mark Foerster csc
Toronto

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