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New Cinema Lens Company

circle_of_confusion@...
 

Hello All,

My company is working with a small group of extraordinarily talented and accomplished optical engineers, mechanical engineers and lens technicians who have put together a still "under the radar" cinema optics company that is creating original (rather than rehoused) lenses. 

I have permission to post about it here, because the group is looking for about half a dozen professional shooters willing to be part of an hour long focus group to offer feedback on both new and current projects in development. 

The focus group will meet in L.A. area sometime after NAB, and then in New York City sometime mid-Summer.  Please contact me directly if this sounds like something you would have any interest in participating, and in which city you would prefer to meet.

Illya Friedman
President
Hot Rod Cameras
Burbank, CA
www.hotrodcameras.com

amy guggenheim
 

Hi Illya -
in response to the call for feedback on the new lenses - I am a filmmaker/director (not a dp) - if you'd like feedback from 'our type', let me know (new york city preferred meeting city.)
thanks!
Amy

Amy Guggenheim
Writer/Director
New York: c.917.676.3470





On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:37 AM, circle_of_confusion via Cml.News <circle_of_confusion=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
Hello All,

My company is working with a small group of extraordinarily talented and accomplished optical engineers, mechanical engineers and lens technicians who have put together a still "under the radar" cinema optics company that is creating original (rather than rehoused) lenses. 

I have permission to post about it here, because the group is looking for about half a dozen professional shooters willing to be part of an hour long focus group to offer feedback on both new and current projects in development. 

The focus group will meet in L.A. area sometime after NAB, and then in New York City sometime mid-Summer.  Please contact me directly if this sounds like something you would have any interest in participating, and in which city you would prefer to meet.

Illya Friedman
President
Hot Rod Cameras
Burbank, CA
www.hotrodcameras.com

Antonio Cisneros
 

Hi

I would be interested. Whom should I reach out to?

Antonio Cisneros
DP
Currently in Bombay but based out of LA.

Marcus Friedlander
 

Hello Ilya,

I'm a Los Angeles based DP who is very interested in new glass developments. I would love to be apart of your focus group here in LA! 

Please let me know the details whenever you can! 

Thanks! 


Cheers, 

Marcus Friedlander - DP - Los Angeles 

"Perfection is the goal, excellence is the standard." 

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 4:53 AM, circle_of_confusion via Cml.News <circle_of_confusion=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

Hello All,

My company is working with a small group of extraordinarily talented and accomplished optical engineers, mechanical engineers and lens technicians who have put together a still "under the radar" cinema optics company that is creating original (rather than rehoused) lenses. 

I have permission to post about it here, because the group is looking for about half a dozen professional shooters willing to be part of an hour long focus group to offer feedback on both new and current projects in development. 

The focus group will meet in L.A. area sometime after NAB, and then in New York City sometime mid-Summer.  Please contact me directly if this sounds like something you would have any interest in participating, and in which city you would prefer to meet.

Illya Friedman
President
Hot Rod Cameras
Burbank, CA
www.hotrodcameras.com

Brian Wengrofsky
 

Ilya:

Would like to participate in this, but the reply-to email seems a bit garbled and my email was bounced back.

I definitely feel there have been gaps in the lens choices out there, especially when it comes to zooms for doc and tv shooters, and I’d be happy to talk about it.

Thanks,

Brian Wengrofsky
Director of Photography
New York City


On Mar 7, 2018, at 4:37 AM, circle_of_confusion via Cml.News <circle_of_confusion=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

the group is looking for about half a dozen professional shooters willing to be part of an hour long focus group to offer feedback on both new and current projects in development.

Roy H. Wagner ASC
 

I am not a shooter.

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE
(310) 614-8362
rhwasc@...

Brian Wengrofsky
 

As in “Directors of Photography and Operators who shoot documentaries and television”

I don’t know what “shooter” is thought to connote, certainly no offense was intended...

Brian Wengrofsky
Director of Photography
New York City


On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:

I am not a shooter

Marty Oppenheimer
 

I'm with Roy.  Frankly offensive to those of us with 40 or 50 years in production.
Marty Oppenheimer
Operator / DP
Seattle

Sent from my HTC on T-Mobile 4G LTE

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From: "Brian Wengrofsky via Cml.News" <rooster=bway.net@...>
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Subject: [glass] New Cinema Lens Company
Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 9:01 PM

As in “Directors of Photography and Operators who shoot documentaries and television”

I don’t know what “shooter” is thought to connote, certainly no offense was intended...

Brian Wengrofsky
Director of Photography
New York City


> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:
> 
> I am not a shooter

Kris Denton
 

Hear hear!!!

Thank you Roy.

I would definitely be interested in the lens discussions if it would be expanded beyond cinema glass only.

Kris Denton
DP
LA
Ph 310 344 5159

Kris Denton

On Mar 7, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:

I am not a shooter

Mark Sasahara
 

"I am not a shooter.

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE"


Ha, ha, ha! I love this man!

I aspire to Roy's level of craft and artistry. But, as a denizen of the bottom of the barrel, I am often a "shooter". And I'm OK with that. Somebody's gotta dig ditches. Amiright?

Mark Sasahara, NYC DP.


Mark Sasahara
  marksasahara@...
   718-440-1013
    http://msasahara.com


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:18 PM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:
I am not a shooter.

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE
(310) 614-8362
rhwasc@...

CURT APDUHAN
 

Agreed. Cinematographer is how I request my credit to read.  Director of Photography is acceptable.

But the greatest compliment offered to me on set was by Lothian Skelton when she asked me if I was “the cameraman”. I immediately knew she had an understanding of cinematography when upon my affirmation she said “I knew it. My dad was a cameraman.”  I asked if I would know his work and she smiled and said “Citizen Kane?”. Lothian went on to say I reminded her of her Uncle Jimmy who was her father’s best friend. I just about died right there holding my light meter. When Lothian came up to me after our film’s screening in LA she grabbed my hand and said “You made my father proud.”  If that does not humble you and make you realize how privileged we are to build our craft upon the giants who came before us nothing will. 

With respect. 

Curt Apduhan
Cinematographer 
Orange County CA


On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:11 PM, Marty Oppenheimer <marty@...> wrote:

I'm with Roy.  Frankly offensive to those of us with 40 or 50 years in production.
Marty Oppenheimer
Operator / DP
Seattle

Sent from my HTC on T-Mobile 4G LTE

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From: "Brian Wengrofsky via Cml.News" <rooster=bway.net@...>
To: <cml-glass@...>
Subject: [glass] New Cinema Lens Company
Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 9:01 PM

As in “Directors of Photography and Operators who shoot documentaries and television”

I don’t know what “shooter” is thought to connote, certainly no offense was intended...

Brian Wengrofsky
Director of Photography
New York City


> On Mar 7, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:
> 
> I am not a shooter

ladolkart@...
 

On 8 Mar 2018, at 8.40, CURT APDUHAN <curtapduhan@...> wrote:

I'm with Roy.  Frankly offensive to those of us with 40 or 50 years in production.

Yawn…..

There is nothing more boring that hearing what the "Queen of Cinematography" Roy H. Wagner and his other subjects subjects want people to call them.
ESPECIALLY on the thread about GLASS.

This silly conversation already happened once before and in generally lacks anything of any value.

Lawrence Dolkart
Director / Cinematographer

Roy H. Wagner ASC
 

Shooter is a term used to diminish what we do and our negotiable clout.
Those before us worked very hard to assert our art.
Please, on a professional site, let’s not be “shooters”.
Roy

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE
(310) 614-8362
rhwasc@...

Jordan Cushing
 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:08 am, ladolkart@... wrote:
There is nothing more boring
I'd put you complaining about it higher on the list of most boring things. Also obnoxious and insulting. This is a forum where people treat other professionals with respect, it's not the Youtube comments section.  If this isn't a violation of the Rules of CML, then it's damn close. 

Looking forward to more public news about Ilya's new lens offering.

Jordan Cushing
DOP
Milan

andrewparke1@...
 

I don’t disagree with Roy.  But, when I went to Baghdad with R. Lee Ermey in 2008 to document his Good Will Tour, "The Gunny” nicknamed me “Shooter.”  As I was the only person not carrying a firearm, but a camera. I never considered this to be used in the perjorative.  In fact, it was an honor in this case.  Especially since he nicknamed the tall soundman, “Lurch.” :-)

- Andrew Parke, S.O.C., (310) 367-1140, andrewBparke@...http://AndrewParke.com

Mark H. Weingartner
 

Just a quick note from a very very occasional listmum.

We actually have a code of conduct for cml - it includes being respectful.  Personal attacks or derogatory comments are not something that is encouraged here - this is a professional forum.

Roy is making a valid point that affects our ability to get what we need to do what we do in many situations.
You are welcome to disagree, but be civil.

As we have moved into a world where “anybody can look at a monitor and decide what they like”  many of us have to push, or even fight harder
to get what we need to give our clients what they actually want in spite of impressions they have of how well they understand our craft.

Words matter - terminology matters.

I tend to use director of photography or cinematographer, depending on the situation…    I do not refer to myself as a “shooter” generally.

We are not all interchangeable or of equal experience or similar aesthetic bent, but there are clients out there who, as far as they are concerned, 
just need someone to point the camera and pack the cases at the end of the day.

Each of you is certainly free to self-identify by whatever label, moniker, appellation, tag, soubriquet, handle etc you wish… but those choices might have ramifications.


I’ll give a related example.

Steven Poster has commented in the past that when talking about the equipment we need for a job we are better served discussing them as
“tools” not “toys”   - the director might think of that 50foot Technocrane with an Occulus head on it as a “toy” he can “play with” to find cool shots for a music video or spot, 
but in plenty of markets and budget brackets  the show runners or producers really balk at DPs ordering expensive equipment when they, the producers, think that 
cheaper ways of getting the shot are “good enough”    When they hear us refer to  a three thousand plus dollar/day committment (gear plus additional crew) as “getting a toy to play with” 
for the day it sets their brains thinking a certain way.

As Andrew Parke points out - context is EVERYTHING

I worked for years for a company owned by a documentary cameraman and his life partner who was a sound recordist.

They would occasionally wear baseball caps that said  Sound    and UnSound on them.

Their clients already knew who they were, though;-)








Mark Weingartner, ASC
DP, VFX Supervisor
Los Angeles based
vfxmark@...

Cigarettes make the sun come up
Whiskey makes the sun go down
And in between
We do a lot of standing around


http://www.schneiderentertainment.com/links/WEINGARTNER%20Full%20Client%20Resume.pdf
Represented by Schneider Entertainment Agency

Roy H. Wagner ASC
 

Long live the queen.
I’m terribly sorry to have invaded your glass conversation.
Ive no clue who you are but strongly believe to marginalize what we do is inappropriate with throwaway terms like “shooter”.
Call yourself whatever. I’ll remain the queen of cinematography.
If you’d like to call me directly or face me I’m easy to find.

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE
(310) 614-8362
rhwasc@...

Art Adams
 

Ladies and gentlemen, kings and queens:

Enough.

Where I'm from, "shooter" tends to refer to people who do a lot of video/doc style/ENG work. There's nothing wrong with this, and I'm sure there are people on these lists who do a damned good job of it. I have in the past worked as such, and watched in awe as others with more experience as "shooters" managed to get their cameras into places that I never would have dreamed possible to capture some amazing images. It may not be highly artistic work from the perspective of a cinematographer, but it's definitely a craft worthy of respect.

I suggest that this term was misused by someone who didn't understand that it has multiple meanings.

I'm sure we don't all know every regional variation of every term in our global industry. It's probably best to ask what someone means before assuming that they mean something derogatory. It's also best not to engage in ad hominem attacks, or I will happily start banning people. I've not done that before but I'd love to give it a try and see if it brings me some emotional satisfaction.

--
Art Adams
Director of Photography
San Francisco Bay Area

Mako Koiwai
 

I have worked with some Directors of Photography who insisted that they were Craftsmen and not Artists.

I have worked with Directors of Photography who either knew or thought of themselves as Artists. Some might have even thought of themselves as Gods …

I have worked with Operators who considered themselves Shooters … typically excellent in recording Sports, Action and Documentary sequences. Work well independently and/or shooting 2nd Units.

Most of them took great pride in what they did and respected others tasked with getting the days work done.

I worked with one Dp who said, out loud, “Anything you think of, I thought of 15 minutes ago.” So during the next set-up no one mentioned to him that there was layout board in the shot.

The one major dressing down that I witnessed was when Behind The Scenes footage started to become a thing. We were doing The Legend of the Lone Ranger. Director Bill Fraker, ASC (the show’s Cinematographer was Laszlo Kovacs, ASC) figured that with our large camera crew, manned for at least 3 cameras, but often only shooting with one or two cameras, the extra camera people could handle the 16 mm gear and provide the BTS footage. Well after seeing our first BTS dailies … producers present … he was rightfully very upset that “the best camera crew out of Hollywood” wasn’t taking the job seriously and producing amateurish footage. It seemed we only got a couple of more chances before a “real” BTS crew showed up …

I guess the opposite was when the Craft Service PA mentioned he had brought his 16 mm camera along during a (Non-Union) commercial production. By the 2nd day he was shooting the 2nd Unit. He is now one of our established union Operators. :-)


There are Shooters who “know everything.” There are Directors of Photography who are open to suggestions. If you aren’t the Dp, certainly let his options play out first! :-)

(When I was a Trainee on the first Star Trek the Motion Picture, after asking the Lead AC if I could speak, I offered up a suggestion. I was thrilled when it solved the problem and Richard Kline, ASC gave me the proverbial pat on the back. “How do we get a light shaft to show up on the lucite stairs?” Mask off the area where you want to capture the light and lightly spray it with Dulling Spray. That created the “tooth” to allow the light to show up. Warn everyone that there are waxy areas on the stairs now! Hmmm … I wonder if we could have masked off and sprayed the bottom of the clear stairs?)



makofoto, ret. jack-of-all-positions, s. pasadena, ca

Roy H. Wagner ASC
 

My last comment. 
My apologies to everyone. If you’d like to remove me please do so. 
I was taught to respect the position not the “man”. Some of our greatest artists could be total asses. 
I was sent home once and told by someone I considered a father figure to come back dressed as a cinematographer (even though I was a loader). I got pissed off and asked him why. 
He said, you don’t dress to impress your friends, only your enemies.” 
I don’t look st production as enemies but I do want them to respect my position. 

Roy H. Wagner ASC
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
AMPAS, SMPTE
(310) 614-8362

On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Mako Koiwai <mako1foto@...> wrote:

I have worked with some Directors of Photography who insisted that they were Craftsmen and not Artists.

I have worked with Directors of Photography who either knew or thought of themselves as Artists. Some might have even thought of themselves as Gods …

I have worked with Operators who considered themselves Shooters … typically excellent in recording Sports, Action and Documentary sequences. Work well independently and/or shooting 2nd Units.

Most of them took great pride in what they did and respected others tasked with getting the days work done.

I worked with one Dp who said, out loud, “Anything you think of, I thought of 15 minutes ago.” So during the next set-up no one mentioned to him that there was layout board in the shot.

The one major dressing down that I witnessed was when Behind The Scenes footage started to become a thing. We were doing The Legend of the Lone Ranger. Director Bill Fraker, ASC (the show’s Cinematographer was Laszlo Kovacs, ASC) figured that with our large camera crew, manned for at least 3 cameras, but often only shooting with one or two cameras, the extra camera people could handle the 16 mm gear and provide the BTS footage. Well after seeing our first BTS dailies … producers present … he was rightfully very upset that “the best camera crew out of Hollywood” wasn’t taking the job seriously and producing amateurish footage. It seemed we only got a couple of more chances before a “real” BTS crew showed up …

I guess the opposite was when the Craft Service PA mentioned he had brought his 16 mm camera along during a (Non-Union) commercial production. By the 2nd day he was shooting the 2nd Unit. He is now one of our established union Operators. :-)


There are Shooters who “know everything.” There are Directors of Photography who are open to suggestions. If you aren’t the Dp, certainly let his options play out first! :-)

(When I was a Trainee on the first Star Trek the Motion Picture, after asking the Lead AC if I could speak, I offered up a suggestion. I was thrilled when it solved the problem and Richard Kline, ASC gave me the proverbial pat on the back. “How do we get a light shaft to show up on the lucite stairs?” Mask off the area where you want to capture the light and lightly spray it with Dulling Spray. That created the “tooth” to allow the light to show up. Warn everyone that there are waxy areas on the stairs now! Hmmm … I wonder if we could have masked off and sprayed the bottom of the clear stairs?)



makofoto, ret. jack-of-all-positions, s. pasadena, ca