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Point to the Bad Man, WAS New Cinema Lens Company

Brian Wengrofsky
 

I’ve worked 24 years in camera dept, IATSE Local 600 member for 21, and a CML member for longer than I can remember. I’d merely intended to write a private message to Ilya offering to give lens feedback. There was no functioning “reply-to” in his message as i received it, so I posted publicly. 

But since the internet has turned into a mob looking for it’s villain of the day, pile on, everybody. 

Maybe I should spent more time on the internet joining the flame wars and learning the trigger words of the day, but to be honest I’m far too busy supporting my family, creating work and studying to grow as an artist and craftsperson. I apologize to any I’ve offended with my careless words. 

Look at my signature, please. 

Good god. 

Brian Wengrofsky
Director of Photography
New York City


On Mar 8, 2018, at 4:27 AM, Roy H. Wagner ASC <rhwasc@...> wrote:

Those before us worked very hard to assert our art.

Jordan Cushing
 

“Shooter” was listed in the request for participants. I think you’re taking heat not directed at you Brian. I think everyone on CML has seen your valuable contributions to the list over the years and no one is doubting your professionalism. I read Roy’s last comment as a reply to the topic generally and to the insensitive remarks directed towards him by another poster.

Jordan Cushing
DOP
Milan

Steve Oakley
 

well at least you didn’t use the V word…

Steve Oakley
DP / Editor / Colorist / VFX Artist
Madison & Milwaukee WI
920 544 2230


On Mar 8, 2018, at 5:56 AM, Jordan Cushing via Cml.News <jordancushing=yahoo.ca@...> wrote:

“Shooter” was listed in the request for participants. I think you’re taking heat not directed at you Brian. I think everyone on CML has seen your valuable contributions to the list over the years and no one is doubting your professionalism. I read Roy’s last comment as a reply to the topic generally and to the insensitive remarks directed towards him by another poster.

Jordan Cushing
DOP
Milan
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Roy H. Wagner ASC
 

Im very interested in new technologies. I seldom comment on cal but am always listening. I’m terribly sorry for responding to the “shooter” comment. I personally cannot look to the future without respect for those who cane before me. 
Count me in anytime about learning and new technology - especially lenses. 

Roy H. Wagner ASC
“Queen of Cinematography”
Director of Photography
Honorary Fellow Royal Photographic Society
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Tim Sassoon
 

We’re in an era consumed on both left and right by identity politics. From the left, inclusion, and from the right, exclusion. I wish generally that we could spend more time considering the urgent economic questions which face us instead.

One of which is, is there a big enough market to support the profusion of lens sets now on the market or soon to be? And what are we all going to do if there’s a market crash and the streaming services slash production? Undeniably, the recent decade of cheap capital is rapidly coming to a close.


Tim Sassoon
“Shooting from the hip"
Venice, CA




On Mar 8, 2018, at 7:38 AM, Steve Oakley <steveo@...> wrote:

well at least you didn’t use the V word…

Daniel Drasin
 

Steve Oakley writes: " ... well at least you didn’t use the V word…"

(Shudder)

I don't mind calling myself a "doc shooter" in the right company because it's common shorthand. But to outsiders it's "documentary producer and cinematographer." 

But, to be honest, in my semi-retirement I've straddled the line between "cinematography" and "videography," and made my peace with the evolution of the language. I also acknowledge today's amazing technology and its widespread adoption and democratization, which has created a nearly seamless spectrum between what used to be more distinct levels of production. If an iPhone can be used, with care, in a legitimately cinematographic context (which it has), then all semantic bets are off.

So on one level it's not so easy anymore to say exactly where "videography" ends and "cinematography" begins, other than as a matter of common usage.  Probably "we know it when we see it" is as good a criterion as any.  (Prosaic videography plus brilliant editing may well be termed "cinema.")

Dan Drasin
Overqualified Videographer

Marin County, CA


Matthew Clark
 

Tim Wrote:
One of which is, is there a big enough market to support the profusion of lens sets now on the market or soon to be? And what are we all going to do if there’s a market crash and the streaming services slash production?

Tim, this reminds me of a thing going on in my neighborhood here in Seattle.  Within about a one mile radius, we have about 8 grocery stores.  For the life of me, I can’t believe it and can’t figure out how they are sustaining themselves.  The options run from Trader Joe’s to our local Co-Op store plus a fancy local grocery store and the regular run of the mill grocer.  This is great for us consumers.  We have the pick of the litter with whatever special culinary item we want.  And, they are all (seemingly) doing fine when it comes to sales and customers.  Our neighborhood is growing, so that doesn’t hurt either.  In fact, we’re the largest ‘hood in town.  I bring up this analogy because it seems like there is an ever increasing number of filmmakers out there with a hungry appetite for options to make their films.  Lensing is, IMO, the du jour offering that helps people stand apart or find a niche for their look and voice.  It seems like, same as in the grocer business, if you have more people wanting something, there’s going to be more options, more flavors.  That’s a long way to say in my very non-scientific way that, emphatically, Yes, there is a market to support this profusion of lens sets.  And, it ain’t slowing down because the neighborhood is growing and expanding in so many directions.  My hunch is that even if the streaming services slow down, there’s a whole other industry (retail, commercial, branding, corporate, advertising, music, entertainment, gaming...) that will absorb a fair amount of resources to keep the momentum moving forward.  Maybe at a different pace, but still moving forward.  I do foresee in the near-ish future a slow down in lens creation by the peripheral players while the core contenders continue to explore and develop new optics and technologies to aide in our satiation for bigger, smaller, faster, and more beautiful renderings of our vision.  


Matthew J. Clark
Director/DP 
Seattle, WA
www.StraightEIGHTFilms.com

Mellissa Manzagol
 

I believe in sticking with proper titles too but as online adjunct faculty teaching animation I've given up trying to get students to follow suit. Those that are serious and want to be taken seriously are rare but when they do come through I help best I can. 

Regarding new technologies I am learning to work with reality capture mesh from a 3D scanner in SketchUp which is fun stuff but certainly not cinema. It is a challenging frontier with the privacy concerns and point cloud stuff for sure, especially with the Google Street View integration and whatever tomorrow brings. 

Mellissa

Michael Brennan
 

Undeniably, the recent decade of cheap capital is rapidly coming to a close.
List the lens innovations or developments have occurred during the last decade of easy money?


Mike Brennan

Gavin Greenwalt
 

 

 

List the lens innovations or developments have occurred during the last decade of easy money?

Mike Brennan

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Xeen, Celeres, Red Pro Primes, GL Optics, Rokinon, Sigma, Canon CP, Cooke Anamorphic, Arri LF, Duclos rehouses, Atlas, Cooke classic Panchro, everything 4/3rds, e mount, metabones teleconverters... just to name a few.

 

There has been an explosion of PL lens choices as of late with the similar proliferation of cameras.

 

Gavin Greenwalt

Tim Sassoon
 

Lens data… Short FFD cameras… 


Tim Sassoon
Venice, CA




On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:39 AM, Gavin Greenwalt <im.thatoneguy@...> wrote:

List the lens innovations or developments have occurred during the last decade of easy money?

Mike Brennan 
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Xeen, Celeres, Red Pro Primes, GL Optics, Rokinon, Sigma, Canon CP, Cooke Anamorphic, Arri LF, Duclos rehouses, Atlas, Cooke classic Panchro, everything 4/3rds, e mount, metabones teleconverters... just to name a few.
 
There has been an explosion of PL lens choices as of late with the similar proliferation of cameras.

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