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"Grid of flashbulbs"

Justin Black
 

Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:
To me this looks sort of like a 9 light molepar, but the reps on the phone at a couple rental houses I've tried told me they don't have any similar fixtures where the globes can be controlled individually. I thought there was a way to do this... the Skyfall setup from this image comes to mind...

Any advice? We'll have Luminair to control the effect (along with a few other cues). I'll be on set with my gaffer tomorrow to pick his brain but thought I'd poll CML's collective wisdom in the meantime.

Thanks in advance!

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Toronto
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Mark Weingartner, ASC
 

A Million years ago Bash Lighting in New York built some 9 light Maxi-Brutes with individual lamp control. They merged with Production Arts Lighting and then got bought by PRG lighting.

I would contact PRG, which is all over the world these days, and ask whoever you can get if they can check with the New York office…

or you could call the New York office directly at 212 489-0312… the same number they have had since the seventies (ask me how I know:-) )

that will give you a matrix of PAR 64 globes - it will not give you quite the center to edge advance and decay shown in the videoclip which I do not recognize.

They will have a slower decay than flashbulbs… slow enough you wont get any problems with partial frame exposure with rolling shutter cameras (if you can’t fix it, feature it:-) )

Good luck

Mark Weingartner, ASC
Lost Angeles-based
DP & VFX and whatever

Chris McKenzie
 

The clip looks to me like a bunch of general lighting AR111 reflector LED lamps and some good lighting desk programming.

Regards,

 Chris McKenzie

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Lighting For Entertainment Group
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 14:08, Justin Black <contact@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:
To me this looks sort of like a 9 light molepar, but the reps on the phone at a couple rental houses I've tried told me they don't have any similar fixtures where the globes can be controlled individually. I thought there was a way to do this... the Skyfall setup from this image comes to mind...

Any advice? We'll have Luminair to control the effect (along with a few other cues). I'll be on set with my gaffer tomorrow to pick his brain but thought I'd poll CML's collective wisdom in the meantime.

Thanks in advance!

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Toronto
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Bob
 

From the reference footage, it appears to be small led fixtures with a good programmer. 
 
If you need more stop than what I think that reference footage could offer,
One option would be using a 6, 9 or 12 light maxi with socapex output, you can individually each globe, and use a 500w NSP(or higher wattage, if needed).


Another option would be a Chauvet Nexus 4x4 or 7x7, https://www.chauvetprofessional.com/products/nexus-aw-7x7/   You’ll need time to program a look that you referenced. 


bob bates
Cinesouth Lighting



On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Chris McKenzie <chris@...> wrote:

The clip looks to me like a bunch of general lighting AR111 reflector LED lamps and some good lighting desk programming.

Regards,

 Chris McKenzie

 Sales Director

Lighting For Entertainment Group
Professional Lighting Services Ltd - Kenderdine Electrical Ltd
66 Cook St, CBD, Auckland, 1010, New Zealand.
Ph:+64-9-3024100   DDI:+64-9-3740247   Fax:+64-9-3024102   Mob:+64-21-658475 Skype: Chris.McK

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 14:08, Justin Black <contact@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:
To me this looks sort of like a 9 light molepar, but the reps on the phone at a couple rental houses I've tried told me they don't have any similar fixtures where the globes can be controlled individually. I thought there was a way to do this... the Skyfall setup from this image comes to mind...

Any advice? We'll have Luminair to control the effect (along with a few other cues). I'll be on set with my gaffer tomorrow to pick his brain but thought I'd poll CML's collective wisdom in the meantime.

Thanks in advance!

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Toronto
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Paul Mcilvaine
 

Justin
I think what the first couple of clips are either MR16 or what I call Puck lights that you get at Home Depot.
Both are tiny bulbs that have very small filaments. Its the best way to get that quick flash without overlapping the fade time. 
Pars and Fye bulbs will have long Fades which is not what the clips are showing.  

also I don't think Luminair is the best way to go. I second the advise of getting a real console where you can program
the sequence.  you will need a bit of time to program in order to get the look you are after.
I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:



From: Justin Black <contact@...>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2018 6:08 pm
Subject: [cml-lighting] "Grid of flashbulbs"

Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:
To me this looks sort of like a 9 light molepar, but the reps on the phone at a couple rental houses I've tried told me they don't have any similar fixtures where the globes can be controlled individually. I thought there was a way to do this... the Skyfall setup from this image comes to mind...

Any advice? We'll have Luminair to control the effect (along with a few other cues). I'll be on set with my gaffer tomorrow to pick his brain but thought I'd poll CML's collective wisdom in the meantime.

Thanks in advance!

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Toronto
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Bill Berner
 

Looks like old data flash strobes to me. 
Programmable. 

Bill Berner


On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Justin Black <contact@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." The effect the director was referencing when creating the treatment is here:
To me this looks sort of like a 9 light molepar, but the reps on the phone at a couple rental houses I've tried told me they don't have any similar fixtures where the globes can be controlled individually. I thought there was a way to do this... the Skyfall setup from this image comes to mind...

Any advice? We'll have Luminair to control the effect (along with a few other cues). I'll be on set with my gaffer tomorrow to pick his brain but thought I'd poll CML's collective wisdom in the meantime.

Thanks in advance!

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Toronto
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Justin Black
 

Thanks for the replies all.

Consensus seems to be that they're small LED bulbs - I think the issue is that they scaled up in the director's mind to something more like a 9 light. But seems like if I can find one with Socapex it'll be doable? I'll look into it.

Curious why Luminair is not the way to go? I'll see what my gaffer friend thinks he can do with it. Budget is depressingly tight so I'm hoping to make it work.

--
Justin Black
Director of Photography
Associate Member, Canadian Society of Cinematographers
905.808.0433

Bill Berner
 

With respect to all, I’m pretty certain that is an array of Dataflash AF1000 strobes, were made by a defunct company called High End. 
It was a programmable DMX controlled theatrical fixture pretty common in Rock shows and other live events.  In the states, it is possible that rental houses like PRG or 4Wall still have them in inventory. 
My certainty comes not only from the programming in the clip, attack and decay of the light, but physically, the clear plastic shell that surrounds the strobe on the unit, which can be seen in the clip. 


Diameter is about 8”, similar in size to a PAR 64. 


Bill Berner
ICG 600 DP

Marshall Harrington
 


You might take a look at the Hive ‘C’ series lights. I believe they have a strobe program built into all the ‘C' series lights. Not sure whether you can wire them in series but pretty sure they’d do the job, just build a grid and mount em with super clamps.

Marshall Harrington
Filmmaker | Photographer
San Diego, California
619.291.2775




Hi all,

I'm slated to shoot a TV intro sequence coming up where the treatment calls for a "grid of flashbulbs." 

Jonathon Sendall
 

Hi Justin

I've used these before but it was for theatre at the time and I can't remember if there was control over the decay etc
but they are certainly bright, one of them at 85K! There is a smaller unit that can be hired called the CapStrobe 35J
but even that has a pretty high output. They are DMX and can be chained.

They can be found at http://www.hungaroflash.com/strobes/capstrobe.html

My only caveat is that I'm not totally sure if the flash can be extended to overcome rolling shutter but if memory serves
right I think they can (the theatre show was recorded for video so pretty sure it was ok).

Jonathon Sendall
DP London UK