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Light Source app

Michael Banks
 

Does anyone know when the Light Source app will be upgraded for iOS 11?

Thanks,
Michael Banks 

James McGuire
 

Hi Michael,
I’ve sent the new database to the coders with a huge increase in fixtures and hopefully the LEE gel database added, I’ll check in with them today and get back to you.
Unfortunately Light Source comes nowhere close to covering its costs so we’ve been supporting it ourselves since its launch in 2011



Regards,
James McGuire
+ 353 87 2539127
Gaffer
        lightsourcepro@...

        Light Source Pro App



On 28 Nov 2017, at 01:55, mwilliamb via Groups.Io <mwilliamb@...> wrote:

Does anyone know when the Light Source app will be upgraded for iOS 11?

Thanks,
Michael Banks 

Yann Cainjo
 

Hi James,

More and more people use android phones, and not only iphone.

Do you have in mind developping your app on Android in the future ?

Regards
Yann

Yann Cainjo
Photographer | DP
Paris, France

 

James, I'm sure your app is very helpful and well developed, but the reason you might be having problems covering your costs is that you're charging €32.99 for the app.  That's a lot for an iPhone app, and more than a lot of people are willing to pay.  Obviously, you should charge what you think the market will bear, but I do think you would have more success if you significantly lowered the price.  I do sincerely wish you the best of luck with all of your projects.
 

 

I don’t have a problem with it.  In fact I am more than happy to pay for an app that becomes invaluable, and happy to pay an upgrade fee if the information is regularly updated.  

Why should an app be any different to any other piece of computer software?  

I probably use Pcam, LD and sun seeker as much as I use Microsoft Office - which I was forced to buy for my son to do his homework (whatever the teachers were doing wasn’t translating properly into Pages).


Michael J Sanders
Director of Photography/Cinematographer  

reel & credits @ www.mjsanders.co.uk   

mobile:   07976 269818   
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On 28 Nov 2017, at 17:55, Andrew Redd <andyred@...> wrote:

James, I'm sure your app is very helpful and well developed, but the reason you might be having problems covering your costs is that you're charging €32.99 for the app.

Geoff Boyle
 

That is F’all for a piece of professional kit.

I think James should be charging at least $100
How much did your meter cost?
How much did your smartphone cost?
How much does a filter cost?

Never mind how much the camera and lenses cost!

The time you can save with this app is huge, it will pay for itself, at $500, in a couple of weeks maximum for any professional.


Cheers
Geoff Boyle
Cinematographer
EU Based
www.gboyle.co.uk
+31 (0) 637 155 076



On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:55, Andrew Redd <andyred@...> wrote:

but the reason you might be having problems covering your costs is that you're charging €32.99 for the app.

Michael Banks
 

Thanks James for your generosity in making this app happen. I look forward to using it again soon.

Michael Banks

david.amphlett@...
 

"Lower the price"
The App is aimed at a tiny, niche/specialist market and nowhere near the volume of potential customers/users than consumer products.

Technical development is time consuming and expensive and has to be recouped somehow.

Cost seems extremely reasonable to me for piece of professional kit.

 

David Amphlett

Oxford

Currently developing colour algorithms for solid state lighting products

James McGuire
 

Hi All,
So Scott who does the coding side of things for (he’s an animator in Jam Media, and does the coding in his own time) got back to me yesterday, so we’re going to talk about maybe a temp fix of the present version of Light Source and see how I can bring about the updates I’ve already built to all. On the comments on price thanks to those of you who have shown your appreciation of Light Source, it’s not really about cost its the time required to keep Light Source current and working with IOS changes. 
The latest database update took me six full weeks to give some perspective and as I’m a working gaffer (on prep in chilly Limerick, in the west of Ireland) on a Netflix show ‘NightFlyers” thats time that has to be found, and the stumbling block is Scott hasn’t had a chance to recode to 64 Bit. So we’ll do our best I’d love to get the full update out as I’ve inputed a lot of the newer LED units, added almost 35 manufacturers and prepped a LEE gel database so hopefully. 
And apologies we have supported Light Source over the last six years and I’d like to think we could do so for IOS 11

Regards,
James McGuire
+ 353 87 2539127
Gaffer
        lightsourcepro@...

        Light Source Pro App



On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:30, david.amphlett@... wrote:

"Lower the price"
The App is aimed at a tiny, niche/specialist market and nowhere near the volume of potential customers/users than consumer products.
Technical development is time consuming and expensive and has to be recouped somehow.
Cost seems extremely reasonable to me for piece of professional kit.

 

David Amphlett

Oxford

Currently developing colour algorithms for solid state lighting products

Michael Banks
 

Hi James,

Might you have an update regarding your lovely Light Source Pro app working for iOS 11? How soon might the software be updated?

Thanks,
Michael Banks
DP, Atlanta

On Monday, April 16, 2018, 7:53:36 PM EDT, Michael Banks <mwilliamb@...> wrote:


Hi James,

Might you have an update regarding your lovely Light Source Pro app working for iOS 11? How soon might the software be updated?

Thanks,
Michael Banks
DP, Atlanta


On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 3:22:28 AM EST, James McGuire <lightsourcepro@...> wrote:


Hi All,
So Scott who does the coding side of things for (he’s an animator in Jam Media, and does the coding in his own time) got back to me yesterday, so we’re going to talk about maybe a temp fix of the present version of Light Source and see how I can bring about the updates I’ve already built to all. On the comments on price thanks to those of you who have shown your appreciation of Light Source, it’s not really about cost its the time required to keep Light Source current and working with IOS changes. 
The latest database update took me six full weeks to give some perspective and as I’m a working gaffer (on prep in chilly Limerick, in the west of Ireland) on a Netflix show ‘NightFlyers” thats time that has to be found, and the stumbling block is Scott hasn’t had a chance to recode to 64 Bit. So we’ll do our best I’d love to get the full update out as I’ve inputed a lot of the newer LED units, added almost 35 manufacturers and prepped a LEE gel database so hopefully. 
And apologies we have supported Light Source over the last six years and I’d like to think we could do so for IOS 11

Regards,
James McGuire
+ 353 87 2539127
Gaffer
        lightsourcepro@...

        Light Source Pro App



On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:30, david.amphlett@... wrote:

"Lower the price"
The App is aimed at a tiny, niche/specialist market and nowhere near the volume of potential customers/users than consumer products.
Technical development is time consuming and expensive and has to be recouped somehow.
Cost seems extremely reasonable to me for piece of professional kit.

 

David Amphlett

Oxford

Currently developing colour algorithms for solid state lighting products

Rocco Schult
 


and happy to pay an upgrade fee if the information is regularly updated.  

Why should an app be any different to any other piece of computer software?  


I think James should be charging at least $100
How much did your meter cost?
How much did your smartphone cost?
How much does a filter cost?

Never mind how much the camera and lenses cost!

The time you can save with this app is huge, it will pay for itself, at $500, in a couple of weeks


Well, I guess it is not so easy.
Firstly, hats off to the passionate who are as well as willing to pay a professional price for professional apps, more than than that to those who code without making profit.

Regarding the upgrades, version, cross-platform-availability:
Upgrades usually don’t work in the phoney app-stores. The functional scheme isn’t made for selling such ’things’. The idea is upgrades for free for a lifetime or make a new app.
Which is why professional apps suffer big time when it comes exactly to that point in time.
The next version has to appeal and amortize development for new customers as well as for an existing customer-base.

Then, in regards to Geoffs reply:
Yes, the software is certainly worth the price, just as many other professional Apps (pcam etc.), but I see a very different usage and consummation behaviour with Apps - most just don’t feel like it.
Because an App-Store is made for the quick and instant ad-hoc buy, the spending always make one feel insecure when it passes a certain amount - I’ver objected that with my own behaviour as well as with others and I have a ton of apps, I could be professional tester for it in fact.
The always enerving ‚why is this a limited app‘ or ‚why is this advertising funded‘ on so many app reviews gives a good explanation about the established average user expectation.
And even if I am willing to pay 30-40 bucks on one, I do think about it twice or longer if it really makes sense to me.
On the desktop I do so as well, but my research options are usually greater and allow big websites, trials, learning edition or whatnot.

Cross-platform development is only for professional coders, usually companies. Given you don’t want to code twice, the coder needs a cross-platform development framework, which not only costs money, but needs to be maintained, learned, operated and still there are differences between the 2 major platforms Android and iOS which may make deploying a cross-platform application signitficantly more complex and time-consuming than just the pure good idea of it (or one platform only).

That said, I could imagine that a limited sniff-in version aka light or trial is the best option to get people in on a higher level priced app.
And everything above 5 bucks is higher level on app stores, as unfortunate as it is.

For the bold and brave (Android users) - I do it exactly so because I switched from iOS to Android myself:
Get a latest gen (6) iPod touch for the apps that are not supported/available on Android and off you go.
You can share internet on the Android and make bluetooth tethering if you need to be online on the go with it.
The only thing not working with it is GPS because the iPod touch doesn’t have it.

Good luck and keep the good work Mr.McGuire.

rocco schult
professional generalist | ACHT, FRANKFURT

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