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Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Jan Klier
 

Brilliant use of existing technology and parts most of us will have sitting around, or at a minimum will have good re-use so are a safe investment.

 

Jan Klier

DP NYC

 

From: cml-mentor@... <cml-mentor@...> On Behalf Of bjdzyak via cml.news

I build this Interrotron system when Universal EPK marketing started wanting that "down the barrel" look for every interview.  Sets up in less than five minutes and comes in one case.  Perfect for Covid as you can keep the producer/interviewer and audio person out of the "set" and away from talent.

Available in LA for pickup or can be shipped if necessary. 

Brian Dzyak

IATSE L600/SOC

www.dzyak.com
+1(818)326-3728

 

 


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

bjdzyak@...
 

I build this Interrotron system when Universal EPK marketing started wanting that "down the barrel" look for every interview.  Sets up in less than five minutes and comes in one case.  Perfect for Covid as you can keep the producer/interviewer and audio person out of the "set" and away from talent.

Available in LA for pickup or can be shipped if necessary. 

 

Brian Dzyak
IATSE L600/SOC
www.dzyak.com
+1(818)326-3728

 

 


Re: First time shoot with a Cinema Camera

Fernando Alves
 

Hello Mr. Boyle,

"First, please don’t edit your posts so much, the 80% of people who use email rather than the web interface get a new email every time you edit...""

Sorry about that.

Thank you. We have done some tests with Alexa mini. Now going to see the footage in DaVinci Resolve. As you said, we got lots of footage at different exposures and settings. 

Thaks a lot.

Take care.

Cheers,
Fernando Alves
Editor and now studying Cinematography
https://vimeo.com/fernandoalves


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Steven Bradford
 

Some good suggestions.
I think you still can rent a classic full size tele prompter with a screen from 15 to 19” diagonal. A place like Bexel that rents to broadcasters should be able to set you up. 



Steven Bradford
From Mobile device
206 898-0932

On Dec 31, 2020, at 10:10 PM, Mark Gambol <mark@...> wrote:

It is possible. I had to do it for a shoot a couple years ago. Sorry I don’t have a photo. But I had two C300mk2 cameras. One with a Cine 17-120 and the other with a 70-200 dslr lens. 17-120 off center to the left just a bit. The “wider” shot. The second camera was almost behind the other camera but zoomed in for the second shot. The interotron was set up to camera left so we had room on the right for the other camera. It wasn’t a pretty setup but it worked.
I can’t speak to the size of the LF with the lenses you’re using but that’s how I made it work. Figure you need to be back a bit further than normal and zoomed in a bit. You’ll notice a little shift in the camera images but the average viewer won’t especially if people are watching on the computer and such.
Hope this helps.
Mark Gambol
MG Pictures, ltd.
Philly


On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Roger Phenix via cml.news <rphenix=aol.com@...> wrote:

Is it possible to physically position two side by side? Probably not..


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

 

Does it have to be an LF?  Could you not use a Sony Venice and then use both cameras with Rialtos.  

Michael Sanders: 

London based Cinematographer/Director of Photography.

reel/credits/kit: www.mjsanders.co.uk
direct email: michael@...
m: +44 07976 269818


On 1 Jan 2021, at 01:42, Jeff Kreines - Mindspring <jeffkreines@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover th


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Mark Gambol
 

It is possible. I had to do it for a shoot a couple years ago. Sorry I don’t have a photo. But I had two C300mk2 cameras. One with a Cine 17-120 and the other with a 70-200 dslr lens. 17-120 off center to the left just a bit. The “wider” shot. The second camera was almost behind the other camera but zoomed in for the second shot. The interotron was set up to camera left so we had room on the right for the other camera. It wasn’t a pretty setup but it worked.
I can’t speak to the size of the LF with the lenses you’re using but that’s how I made it work. Figure you need to be back a bit further than normal and zoomed in a bit. You’ll notice a little shift in the camera images but the average viewer won’t especially if people are watching on the computer and such.
Hope this helps.
Mark Gambol
MG Pictures, ltd.
Philly


On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Roger Phenix via cml.news <rphenix=aol.com@...> wrote:

Is it possible to physically position two side by side? Probably not..


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Thorsten Thielow
 

super helpful. 😂


On Dec 31, 2020, at 20:42, Graham Willoughby <gwwilloughby@...> wrote:

Well, you could make your own.  Take the TV from your living room, get a 60/40 piece of glass from a local glazier, some rigging and loads of delicious duvateen.  Back the cameras up, use longer lenses, make the head large enough to promote intimacy during the interview and wa-la.  


Graham Willoughby
DP
Brooklyn, NY


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Roger Phenix
 

Is it possible to physically position two side by side?  Probably not..


On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thorsten Thielow via cml.news <tthielow=me.com@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

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Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Graham Willoughby
 

Well, you could make your own.  Take the TV from your living room, get a 60/40 piece of glass from a local glazier, some rigging and loads of delicious duvateen.  Back the cameras up, use longer lenses, make the head large enough to promote intimacy during the interview and wa-la.  


Graham Willoughby
DP
Brooklyn, NY


Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Dan Winckler
 

I mean, if you wanted to get really tricky, you could perhaps use a beamsplitter 3D rig like so behind the Interrotron splitter/monitor, but it would be a pretty big hassle just to get perfect eyeline.

Happy new year to you all!

Best wishes,
Dan

DP | NYC
Dan Winckler
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 2:01 PM Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:
An Interrotron by concept is to align the image of a face directly with the lens so the subject appears to be looking right down the barrel. This doesn’t work with two cameras side by side. I suggest placing a small monitor between the two cameras and perhaps covering the rig in duvatyne so it’s not distracting. 

Mitch Gross
New York

On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thorsten Thielow via cml.news <tthielow=me.com@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

| phone 917 533 7545 



Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Jeff Kreines - Mindspring
 

Make it complicated—use a 3D rig behind the monitor’s beamsplitter. 

Or shoot with an even higher res camera (Pavel) and extract whatever frame you need in post. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
jeff@...
kinetta.com

Sent from iPhone. 

On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

An Interrotron by concept is to align the image of a face directly with the lens so the subject appears to be looking right down the barrel. This doesn’t work with two cameras side by side. I suggest placing a small monitor between the two cameras and perhaps covering the rig in duvatyne so it’s not distracting. 

Mitch Gross
New York

On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thorsten Thielow via cml.news <tthielow=me.com@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

| phone 917 533 7545 



Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Thorsten Thielow
 

Sry Mitch, that is incorrect. Its been done many times with two cameras. As long as the cameras are cuddled up as close as possible and the image of the interviewer is large enough over both lenses the eye line works.

The tricky part is to find the half way mirror large enough. Since a lot of the times now interviews are shot in 4k or even 6k a lot of people do not use two cameras any more and punch in (which in my opinion does not work for many reasons) - and with that a lot of rental houses only carry smaller teleprompter setups. 

Anyhow, I think I found one at Rule in Boston. 


On Dec 31, 2020, at 14:01, Mitch Gross <mitchgrosscml@...> wrote:

An Interrotron by concept is to align the image of a face directly with the lens so the subject appears to be looking right down the barrel. This doesn’t work with two cameras side by side. I suggest placing a small monitor between the two cameras and perhaps covering the rig in duvatyne so it’s not distracting. 

Mitch Gross
New York

On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thorsten Thielow via cml.news <tthielow=me.com@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

| phone 917 533 7545 



Re: Interrotron covering two cameras

Mitch Gross
 

An Interrotron by concept is to align the image of a face directly with the lens so the subject appears to be looking right down the barrel. This doesn’t work with two cameras side by side. I suggest placing a small monitor between the two cameras and perhaps covering the rig in duvatyne so it’s not distracting. 

Mitch Gross
New York

On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thorsten Thielow via cml.news <tthielow=me.com@...> wrote:

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

| phone 917 533 7545 



Interrotron covering two cameras

Thorsten Thielow
 

I am shooting a interview using the Interrotron, with two Alexa LF cameras side by side. It seems to be hard to find a interrotron that is large enough to cover the physical space of two lenses. Does anyone know where to rent from, or anyone that built a interitron that large?


Thorsten Thielow 

| phone 917 533 7545 



Re: First time shoot with a Cinema Camera

Geoff Boyle
 

Hi Fernando,

 

First, please don’t edit your posts so much, the 80% of people who use email rather than the web interface get a new email every time you edit...

 

OK, monitoring LUT, I’d just use the inbuilt 709 LUT whilst shooting the tests, this applies to all cameras.

 

It’s during post that you’ll be making critical assessments and that’s where you have to think about this a bit more!

The important thing is to decide what your final output display is and set everything for that as that’s what you need the info for.

 

If you need to see what the camera is actually producing during the tests then don’t use a LUT, just look at the log output, this will tell you how far you can go over and under before you lose data.

 

If you intend to work in ACES then there are LUTs that replicate the ACES workflow on the website, finishing in all cases in a 709 display space.

Personally I wouldn’t bother with this whilst shooting tests as again, the real information will be found when you load the rushes into a post system. You almost don’t need a monitor when your testing!

Get as much footage as you can at different exposures and different settings in Tungsten and Daylight, maybe at 4500 as well.

 

cheers
Geoff Boyle NSC FBKS
EU based cinematographer
+31 637155076

www.gboyle.nl

www.cinematography.net

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From: cml-mentor@... <cml-mentor@...> On Behalf Of Fernando Alves
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2020 04:00
To: cml-mentor@...
Subject: [cml-mentor] First time shoot with a Cinema Camera

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello everybody,

Next week I am going to make my first tests with a Cinema Camera. My brother works in a rental house and we are going test a Canon C 300 Mrk II, a RED Scarlet and maybe a Arri Alexa Plus. Let's see.

Well, I have been studying exposure and color management. And have been looking for LUTs to use in an external monitor. What kind of LUT should I use for each camera? Can anybody help me with this issue? 

I have been seen some of Mr. Boyle camera tests and want to shoot my subjects like he does in his tests. Like key light, fill lights, background light and some small spots of lights (frame of what I want to do follows attached). 

Does anybody have any suggestions on how can I test with those cameras? Maybe it is a silly question, but I want to ask to the masters for some help. Since I am studying it by myself, I fell little bit lost sometimes in how should I proceed.

Cheers,

Fernando Alves
Editor and now studying Cinematography
https://vimeo.com/fernandoalves


First time shoot with a Cinema Camera

Fernando Alves
 
Edited

Hello everybody,

Next week I am going to make my first tests with a Cinema Camera. My brother works in a rental house and we are going test a Canon C 300 Mrk II, a RED Scarlet and maybe a Arri Alexa Plus. Let's see.

Well, I have been studying exposure and color management. And have been looking for LUTs to use in an external monitor. What kind of LUT should I use for each camera? Can anybody help me with this issue? 

I have been seen some of Mr. Boyle camera tests and want to shoot my subjects like he does in his tests. Like key light, fill lights, background light and some small spots of lights (frame of what I want to do follows attached). 

Does anybody have any suggestions on how can I test with those cameras? Maybe it is a silly question, but I want to ask to the masters for some help. Since I am studying it by myself, I fell little bit lost sometimes in how should I proceed.

Cheers,

Fernando Alves
Editor and now studying Cinematography
https://vimeo.com/fernandoalves


Re: factors of self analysis ?

Gonçalo Neves Cruz
 

Hey! Totally not an expert and in the learning process myself. 

But I would say that what constitutes the success of a project is the purpose you initially defined. 
If the purpose was to create a piece that would awaken specific reactions in a said audience and it didn't, then it's important to go back and try to understand what could get those results.
If the purpose was to create a piece that in the process stand-point was different and you were able to do it, then you could have reached what you were looking for and the audience reaction might be because they were not expecting something like that (which might be good) or you could maybe share better the process decisions.

Anyway, I don't quite understand what an image system stands for. If you want to share the project or details I'd gladly give you my input :)

Gonçalo Neves Cruz, Founder Ladio Films (Portugal)


factors of self analysis ?

ramnandareddy@...
 

In my recent student project, I tried to do build an image system in a different way. But after a premier of my project, I didn't get an expected reaction. So how do I do self- analysis and learn from mistakes ? what are the factors that I should consider and base on for self- analysis ?

Please sign your messages in future, name job & location can help people to know how to answer.


Re: Camera truck

Robert L. Cunningham
 

No answer from anyone.

 

Robert L. Cunningham

Cinematographer 

Atlanta, GA


Re: Commercial lighting webinar

Geoff Boyle
 

I messed up, I didn’t realise that we went out of summer time at a different time to the US.

 

I’ll have everything sorted for next week hopefully!

 

cheers
Geoff Boyle NSC FBKS
EU based cinematographer
+31 637155076

www.gboyle.nl

www.cinematography.net

Become a CML Patron https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=43292735

 

 

From: cml-mentor@... <cml-mentor@...> On Behalf Of Merritt Mullen via cml.news
Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:19
To: cml-mentor@...
Subject: Re: [cml-mentor] Commercial lighting webinar

 

Is the CML discussion happening? I keep getting a notice that the host hasn’t started the meeting yet.

David Mullen, ASC
Los Angeles

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