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Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Loic de Lame
 

One other note. I highly recommend utilizing ArriRAW HDE to reduce media storage.

You will ideally need SSDs or high performance drives as the originating ArriRAW file get’s transformed into an image sequence in the transition to HDE and you’ll encounter reduced drive speeds because the file are 4-8 MB.

I haven’t tested a configuration in Silverstack where you can have the verification happen after the full copy instead of verifying each file as it’s copied. That may help in keeping speeds up.

Nevertheless, HDE is definitely worth exploring.

~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 9:45:00 AM, Loic de Lame (loicdelame@...) wrote:

Also, I just checked Pomfort’s website and it seems like Silverstack Lab v8 is compatible with AppleM1.

Pomfort Silverstack feature list (at the bottom) - https://pomfort.com/silverstacklab/features/


~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 8:10:18 AM, Loic de Lame (loicdelame@...) wrote:

I have to say, if Silverstack doesn’t work on M1, I’d highly recommend DaVinci for dailies.

It’s robust, many tried and true workflows and as far as I know, it’s compatible with M1.

Great speed too.

And for dailies, the free version is more than adequate. Otherwise it’s $300 last I recall for studio license.

Feel free to DM me if you need specific help in Silverstack or DaVinci.

~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 4:51:07 AM, Gonçalo Neves Cruz (goncalonevescruz@...) wrote:

@Loic de Lame
 
I've search and made sure to know the differences and I'll be using Silverstack Lab. It only offers subscriptions up to 2 Months (or you can go the whole year), so I'll have to check what's the best option with the producer.
 
 
@Michael Sanders
 
I'll have to search about Sync n Link for FCP X. The M1 line should be awesome with that. I've actually did try to run the trial version of Silverstack on MacMini (with the M1) and it didn't open. They are still probably adjusting the configs to work with these new (althought it has been a year since it's launch) ships.
 
@Emmanuel SUYS
 
The director will be the one editing (at least the first version). They have asked for ProRes to check the dailies and for him to grab and start working on them. I'll be using Premiere Pro to do so.


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Loic de Lame
 

Also, I just checked Pomfort’s website and it seems like Silverstack Lab v8 is compatible with AppleM1.

Pomfort Silverstack feature list (at the bottom) - https://pomfort.com/silverstacklab/features/


~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 8:10:18 AM, Loic de Lame (loicdelame@...) wrote:

I have to say, if Silverstack doesn’t work on M1, I’d highly recommend DaVinci for dailies.

It’s robust, many tried and true workflows and as far as I know, it’s compatible with M1.

Great speed too.

And for dailies, the free version is more than adequate. Otherwise it’s $300 last I recall for studio license.

Feel free to DM me if you need specific help in Silverstack or DaVinci.

~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 4:51:07 AM, Gonçalo Neves Cruz (goncalonevescruz@...) wrote:

@Loic de Lame
 
I've search and made sure to know the differences and I'll be using Silverstack Lab. It only offers subscriptions up to 2 Months (or you can go the whole year), so I'll have to check what's the best option with the producer.
 
 
@Michael Sanders
 
I'll have to search about Sync n Link for FCP X. The M1 line should be awesome with that. I've actually did try to run the trial version of Silverstack on MacMini (with the M1) and it didn't open. They are still probably adjusting the configs to work with these new (althought it has been a year since it's launch) ships.
 
@Emmanuel SUYS
 
The director will be the one editing (at least the first version). They have asked for ProRes to check the dailies and for him to grab and start working on them. I'll be using Premiere Pro to do so.


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Loic de Lame
 

I have to say, if Silverstack doesn’t work on M1, I’d highly recommend DaVinci for dailies.

It’s robust, many tried and true workflows and as far as I know, it’s compatible with M1.

Great speed too.

And for dailies, the free version is more than adequate. Otherwise it’s $300 last I recall for studio license.

Feel free to DM me if you need specific help in Silverstack or DaVinci.

~L

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist
C: +1 (908) 752-3121

On October 25, 2021 at 4:51:07 AM, Gonçalo Neves Cruz (goncalonevescruz@...) wrote:

@Loic de Lame
 
I've search and made sure to know the differences and I'll be using Silverstack Lab. It only offers subscriptions up to 2 Months (or you can go the whole year), so I'll have to check what's the best option with the producer.
 
 
@Michael Sanders
 
I'll have to search about Sync n Link for FCP X. The M1 line should be awesome with that. I've actually did try to run the trial version of Silverstack on MacMini (with the M1) and it didn't open. They are still probably adjusting the configs to work with these new (althought it has been a year since it's launch) ships.
 
@Emmanuel SUYS
 
The director will be the one editing (at least the first version). They have asked for ProRes to check the dailies and for him to grab and start working on them. I'll be using Premiere Pro to do so.


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Cruz
 

@Loic de Lame
 
I've search and made sure to know the differences and I'll be using Silverstack Lab. It only offers subscriptions up to 2 Months (or you can go the whole year), so I'll have to check what's the best option with the producer.
 
 
@Michael Sanders
 
I'll have to search about Sync n Link for FCP X. The M1 line should be awesome with that. I've actually did try to run the trial version of Silverstack on MacMini (with the M1) and it didn't open. They are still probably adjusting the configs to work with these new (althought it has been a year since it's launch) ships.
 
@Emmanuel SUYS
 
The director will be the one editing (at least the first version). They have asked for ProRes to check the dailies and for him to grab and start working on them. I'll be using Premiere Pro to do so.


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Emmanuel SUYS
 

Greetings,

 

Silverstack Lab is a perfect tool for what you are looking for. It’s a multitool software. Data wrangling is straightforward. Metadata handling and annotations are simple to do. Transcoding is very simple as well, several settings already available or you can create your own custom settings. Syncing is a piece of cake, as long as timecode is matching or there is a slate so you can manually sync if necessary! However, check with the editor for the transcodes as she or he or the assistant may want files to be delivered separately. Best thing to do is to talk to whom you must deliver files and to test with the camera department prior to the shoot. Also make sure your hardware is compatible with the Software you are going to use in the end.

 

Cheers

Manny, Munich

 

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>>From: Gonçalo Neves Cruz <goncalonevescruz@...>

I just landed a job for DIT. It's my first experience in an environment like this. They are shooting with an Alexa SXT Plus.

 

Apart from storage they want me to:

- Transcode the files into something easy for the director/editor to look and see how it's going with rec709 applied.

- They also want me to sync the audio & video files;

 

What is the best way for me to do this?


Gonçalo Cruz, Intern DIT
Portugal


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

 

FWIW Sync n Link for FCP X from Intelligent Assitant is also very good and very quick.

Obviously there are other tools but it might be worth investigating.

I can imagine FCP X, Compressor and and new M1 Max MacBook Pro would be a great combination for DITs.


Michael Sanders

London based Cinematographer and host of The Camera Channel podcast, available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

+ 44 (0) 7976 269818








On 24 Oct 2021, at 13:28, Loic de Lame <loicdelame@...> wrote:

Silverstack Lab (not Silverstack or XT) can do syncing based on time code like DaVinci.

It also has tools to shift sync or manually sync as well.

There have recently been improvements in syncing (a recent release note mentioned something about syncing to a second clap).

I haven’t done transcodes on set for a long time in Silverstack, but point is that it can do it.

So it is an option in order to have everything under one roof.

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist - Local 600
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Thank you for your answer Tomás! I've already nailed the workflow for the dailies with DaVinci, I'm now looking at a more robust way to have the whole process in under one app. Silverstack seems to do everything needed. Just checking if it can auto sync the audio based on timecode like DaVinci does. 


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Loic de Lame
 

Silverstack Lab (not Silverstack or XT) can do syncing based on time code like DaVinci.

It also has tools to shift sync or manually sync as well.

There have recently been improvements in syncing (a recent release note mentioned something about syncing to a second clap).

I haven’t done transcodes on set for a long time in Silverstack, but point is that it can do it.

So it is an option in order to have everything under one roof.

Loïc de Lame
DIT and Colorist - Local 600

From: Gonçalo Neves Cruz <goncalonevescruz@...>
Reply: cml-raw-log-hdr@... <cml-raw-log-hdr@...>
Date: October 24, 2021 at 03:11:16
To: cml-raw-log-hdr@... <cml-raw-log-hdr@...>
Subject:  Re: [cml-raw-log-hdr] Workflow for Arriraw files

Thank you for your answer Tomás! I've already nailed the workflow for the dailies with DaVinci, I'm now looking at a more robust way to have the whole process in under one app. Silverstack seems to do everything needed. Just checking if it can auto sync the audio based on timecode like DaVinci does. 


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Cruz
 

Thank you for your answer Tomás! I've already nailed the workflow for the dailies with DaVinci, I'm now looking at a more robust way to have the whole process in under one app. Silverstack seems to do everything needed. Just checking if it can auto sync the audio based on timecode like DaVinci does. 


Re: Workflow for Arriraw files

Tomás Muñoz
 

Hi go for Davinci without doubt; you can make pressets for the differents exports, also the sincro is less than 2 seconds if they use timecode (tentacle o similares) if not old school with the clapboard.
Saludos 
Tomás

Tomás Muñoz Giménez 
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El 23 oct 2021, a las 21:19, Gonçalo Neves Cruz <goncalonevescruz@...> escribió:
I just landed a job for DIT. It's my first experience in an environment like this. They are shooting with an Alexa SXT Plus.
 
Apart from storage they want me to:
- Transcode the files into something easy for the director/editor to look and see how it's going with rec709 applied.
- They also want me to sync the audio & video files;
 
What is the best way for me to do this?


Workflow for Arriraw files

Cruz
 
Edited

I just landed a job for DIT. It's my first experience in an environment like this. They are shooting with an Alexa SXT Plus.
 
Apart from storage they want me to:
- Transcode the files into something easy for the director/editor to look and see how it's going with rec709 applied.
- They also want me to sync the audio & video files;
 
What is the best way for me to do this?

Gonçalo Cruz, Intern DIT
Portugal


Re: Freefly Wave - test footage?

Marc Srour
 

Hi Rob,

 

Thanks a lot for the link! Seems like colours are pretty good out of camera and can take some minimal grading.  

 

Marc

 

Marc Srour

Producer

ABL Films

Producer & Motion Control Specialist

Kinisi by ABL Films

marc@...

+357 99308521

Cyprus

 

 


Re: Freefly Wave - test footage?

Rob van Gelder
 

Hi Marc,

This cameraman, Khun Sittipong in Thailand, has done some tests with it:




Rob van Gelder
Lighthouse Film Service
Bangkok - Thailand
Head of maintenance / international contacts
rob@...
+66 2946 1616 (office)
+66 82572 4441 (cell)



Freefly Wave - test footage?

Marc Srour
 

Hi everyone! I'm looking into the Freefly Wave as an alternative camera for those quick, lower budget tabletop shoots. Obviously there's no comparison in terms of quality to even an older Phantom or Weisscam, but it might make up for it in terms of accessibility and workflow.

From the spec sheet, I am worried about the bit depth, file format, and compression ratio, which might cause big problems with banding and crushed blacks, especially in tabletop and other studio environments. The videos on the Freefly website also don't inspire much confidence to be honest, although I'm not sure if those artefacts is down to web compression.

Unfortunately, being on a tiny island means I can't easily get one for a test day :) Is there anyone on list that has one or has shot with one, and would be able to send me a take in the native format (or a transcode to ProRes)? Preferably something on black with good lighting, but I would take anything.

Thank you very much!

Marc

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Marc Srour
Producer / Motion Control Specialist
ABL Films
Cyprus


Re: shooting LED wall - banding and sawtooth artefact

Sean Porter
 

Hey James,

Was there a good reason to install them in a different orientation?

Yes and no.  We needed a vertical curved cyc type installation, and the panels were originally arranged in a long horizontal curve.  So to simplify configuration it was decided to split the horizontal wall in half, rotate each section 90 degrees and build the wall that way...  in hindsight, our downfall.

Do you recall the led manufacturer?

They were ROE Diamond panels with a Brompton processor.
 
Who teched your wall and who was responsible for the content?

I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus.  Content was captured via a Meta Two 360 camera, stitched with Mistika and mapped/positioned in Unreal.
 
LED Walls should have a Hz rate locked in step with your camera. At least that’s how we do it on the tv show I work on

We found no difference ultimately whether the camera was genlocked or not.  The panels, processor, etc were all genlocked together running at 48hz.  Camera was at 24fps and we tested multiple shutter angles, ultimately working at 144.

We had another, flat, natively oriented panel array adjacent to the curved wall, and it exhibited no sawtooth artifacts.

At one point my AC cleverly suggested we try the camera on it's side, rotated 90deg (we were using a square portion of the sensor).  This actually got rid of the sawtooth artifacts but introduced other artifacts we didn't have time to address.  In the end we mitigated the effect as best we could in camera and it'll be a combo of DI tools and VFX to clean up anything remaining in the edit.

Cheers
Sean Porter
DP
Oregon


Re: shooting LED wall - banding and sawtooth artefact

Jason Norman
 

Was there a good reason to install them in a different orientation?
Do you recall the led manufacturer?
Who teched your wall and who was responsible for the content?

LED Walls should have a Hz rate locked in step with your camera. At least that’s how we do it on the tv show I work on

Jason M. Norman
I.A.T.S.E 728
Lighting Console Programmer
Network Systems Specialist
Lucid Lighting Co.
Los Angeles, CA
(c) 360.481.5379


Re: shooting LED wall - banding and sawtooth artefact

Video Assist Hungary
 

Sawtooth is a refresh rate issue in the wall. Basically the wall is not refreshing fast (or slow!) enough to fill the camera image. Yes, it’s much more noticeable when the camera is angled to the wall, but even with head on it’s there - only it’s a very thin horizontal line. It’s easier to see on some flat colors - usually greyish or greenish, not very saturated. It’s also visible more when panning the camera up and down. The lines stay stationery on the camera, indicating it is connected to sensor refresh. 
It can be solved by meticulously adjusting the wall parameters and genlock timings with the sensor. 



Balazs Rozgonyi
Fillscrn
Tech director


On 2021. Oct 1., at 20:11, Sean Porter <seancporter@...> wrote:

We just wrapped an LED shoot in Thailand where we experienced a sawtooth artifact effect.  we spent many hours troubleshooting and ultimately we believe it was due to the orientation of the panels themselves - they were installed 90deg from their native arrangement and we think the top-to-bottom refresh of the camera was conflicting with the now left-to-right refresh of the display. Panels arranged correctly did not display the sawtooth artifact, so be cognizant of your installations.

hopefully this helps future efforts =)

Sean Porter
DP
Oregon


Re: shooting LED wall - banding and sawtooth artefact

Sean Porter
 

We just wrapped an LED shoot in Thailand where we experienced a sawtooth artifact effect.  we spent many hours troubleshooting and ultimately we believe it was due to the orientation of the panels themselves - they were installed 90deg from their native arrangement and we think the top-to-bottom refresh of the camera was conflicting with the now left-to-right refresh of the display. Panels arranged correctly did not display the sawtooth artifact, so be cognizant of your installations.

hopefully this helps future efforts =)

Sean Porter
DP
Oregon


Re: Sony AXSM 512GB S48 Card Failure/Repair

esl34@...
 

Thanks for the prompt responses, everyone.  And thanks of course to CML for providing this forum that reaches so many.  A Sony rep kindly reached out moments after I posted the email and I think we're on the path to repair (if possible).  
 
All the best,
Eric
 
___________
 
Eric Liner
Producer, Cinematographer
607.254.2191 (office)
607.227.0350 (cell)
esl34@...
http://www.facebook.com/birdofpreymovie


Re: Sony AXSM 512GB S48 Card Failure/Repair

Kirk Miles
 

Sony recently replaced some XQD media for us that was still under warranty.

I reached out to Sony service and support at 877-591-7669. I spoke to a friendly human being who sent an email , and the rest of the process was completed through correspondence.

I provided them with proof of purchase, and they replaced the media in a reasonable amount of time.  If you do not have a proof of purchase, I don’t know that they will be of assistance.

I recognize you are concerned about a much lower volume, proprietary media for professional use only, whereas XQD is used in some professional and some consumer products.  Just letting you know our experience. 

Kirk Miles
GEAR
Austin TX 

Sent from a phone. 

On Jun 30, 2021, at 9:03 AM, esl34@... wrote:

Hey all, 

I've got a Sony AXSM512GB S48 card that stopped working while in camera (F55//R7).  AXS Utility will recognize it but can't repair, mount, or reformat.  I called Sony (thru standard channels) and the phone rep was unable to provide any help or locate someone that could...and never got back to me with more info as promised.  Any advice from those that may have experienced similar? Sony are you out there?  I'm really hoping this isn't a $2500 bookmark!

Thanks,
Eric
________________
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Producer, Cinematographer
607.254.2191 (office)
607.227.0350 (cell)
esl34@...
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Sony AXSM 512GB S48 Card Failure/Repair

esl34@...
 

Hey all, 

I've got a Sony AXSM512GB S48 card that stopped working while in camera (F55//R7).  AXS Utility will recognize it but can't repair, mount, or reformat.  I called Sony (thru standard channels) and the phone rep was unable to provide any help or locate someone that could...and never got back to me with more info as promised.  Any advice from those that may have experienced similar? Sony are you out there?  I'm really hoping this isn't a $2500 bookmark!

Thanks,
Eric
________________
Eric Liner
Producer, Cinematographer
607.254.2191 (office)
607.227.0350 (cell)
esl34@...
http://www.facebook.com/birdofpreymovie

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