VFX on Sony Venice: X-OCN XT or Raw?
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Emmanuel SUYS
Greetings,
For an upcoming series we are using multiple Venice Cameras (1. Generation not the Venice2) and are planning to film most of the project in X-OCN ST. Regarding the VFX shots, my understanding is that X-OCN XT is largely sufficient and has even a slight advantage over the Raw Format. We are going initially for a 5.7K 16:9 (5674 x 3192): 23.98p framerate project. So, in Raw would be then having to end up on a 3.8K 16:9 (3840 x 2160): 23.98p Framerate. Or am I missing something? What would be the advantage of going the Sony Raw route vs X-OCN XT?
Appreciate any information/explanation or guidance.
Cheers, Manny
Emmanuel SUYS
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Ø For an upcoming series we are using multiple Venice Cameras (1. Generation not the Venice2) and are planning to film most of the project in X-OCN ST. Ø Regarding the VFX shots, my understanding is that X-OCN XT is largely sufficient and has even a slight advantage over the Raw Format. Ø We are going initially for a 5.7K 16:9 (5674 x 3192): 23.98p framerate project. So, in Raw would be then having to end up on a 3.8K 16:9 (3840 x 2160): 23.98p Framerate. Ø Or am I missing something? What would be the advantage of going the Sony Raw route vs X-OCN XT? [Emmanuel SUYS]
Any particular reason you would not shoot with a single camera? It sounds like unnecessary complication, setup time and expense.
Disclosure: My company makes 9x7 digital cinema cameras specifically designed for VFX plates, IMAX and Giant Screen.
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Emmanuel SUYS
From: <cml-raw-log-hdr@...> on behalf of "Pawel Achtel, ACS" <pawel.achtel@...>
Any particular reason you would not shoot with a single camera? It sounds like unnecessary complication, setup time and expense.
Greetings,
Filming with 2 and more cameras, on Features, TV-Dramas and Series, is almost standard nowadays.
Cheers Manny
Emmanuel SUYS
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Miga Bär
Hi Emmanuel,
In my experience X-OCN XT is absolutely sufficient for any type of VFX work, especially when shooting 5.7K. Depending on the type of VFX work and your delivery format(s), X-OCN ST will even be good enough for a lot of different types of VFX work. For instance, if you don't have to pull incredibly specific keys, aren't shooting in extreme low-light conditions and you're not finishing for Dolby Cinema, there's a good chance that ST will do the trick for most shots. That being said, I would recommend to discuss with your VFX vendor what their experiences with the various X-OCN levels are and what their preference would be for this specific production. Maybe even run some tests to see when XT is really beneficial over ST. In my experience it really depends on the type of work done and your shooting conditions. As far as I know there are no reasons left to shoot RAW SQ on a Sony Venice. I've never tested them against each other but have also never seen that X-OCN XT didn't have enough information to get the job done. Best, Miga Bär Workflow Consultancy The Netherlands |
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Another vote for XOCN ST being great. Did a show and tested with VFX company, ST was plenty. We shot full sensor 3:2 so VFX had more scene information for tracking.
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Emmanuel SUYS
Hello Miga, Hello Elvis,
Thanks for the input. That was also my understanding from reading some papers from Sony and other sources. Of course will follow whatever VFX requires, just wanted to have some base before going to meeting. Testing is anyway planned, so will see what the final decision will end up to be.
Best regards from Upper Bavaria, Manny
From: Miga Bär <barmiga@...> That being said, I would recommend to discuss with your VFX vendor what their experiences with the various X-OCN levels are and what their preference would be for this specific production.. .. As far as I know there are no reasons left to shoot RAW SQ on a Sony Venice. I've never tested them against each other but have also never seen that X-OCN XT didn't have enough information to get the job done.
From: Elvis Ripley <4@...>
Emmanuel SUYS
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